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    Significant Outbreak Now Being Advertised by SPC...they have already gone Moderate Risk on the Day 3 Outlook. These situations can normally end up with a High Risk. Do not focus completely on Saturday though. We have two very potent days to get through as well.

    DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0234 AM CDT THU APR 12 2012

    VALID 141200Z - 151200Z

    ...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS CENTRAL OK AND ERN KS...

    ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS SURROUNDING THE MDT RISK AREA
    AND EXTENDING ACROSS THE SRN/CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE UPPER MS
    VALLEY...

    ...POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A SIGNIFICANT OUTBREAK OF TORNADOES AND VERY
    LARGE HAIL ACROSS PARTS OF OK/KS INTO SERN NEB/NWRN MO/SWRN IA...


    ...SYNOPSIS...
    AN AMPLIFIED FLOW PATTERN WILL REMAIN ACROSS THE CONUS THROUGH
    D3/SAT...WITH A LARGE TROUGH IN THE WEST AND DOWNSTREAM RIDGE ACROSS
    THE ERN STATES. THIS WILL MAINTAIN A CORRIDOR OF STRONG SWLY
    MIDLEVEL WIND EXTENDING FROM AZ/NM THROUGH OK/KS INTO THE UPPER MS
    VALLEY TO GREAT LAKES REGION. A PACIFIC TROUGH DIGGING SEWD INTO THE
    LOWER CO RIVER VALLEY DURING D2/FRI WILL MOVE THROUGH THE BASE OF
    THE WRN LONGWAVE TROUGH DURING ON SAT...REACHING CO/NM BY 12Z
    SUNDAY. AN ATTENDANT 100 KT MIDLEVEL JET WILL EMERGE INTO THE SRN
    HIGH PLAINS TO KS SAT NIGHT...WITH 60-80 KT SWLY MIDLEVEL WINDS
    EXPECTED ACROSS MUCH OF THE SLIGHT AND MODERATE RISK AREAS THROUGH
    THE FORECAST PERIOD.

    AT THE SURFACE...A FRONT IS EXPECTED TO ADVANCE EWD FROM THE UPPER
    MIDWEST INTO THE GREAT LAKES...WHILE THE TRAILING PORTION OF THIS
    BOUNDARY MOVES SLOWLY SWD ACROSS NEB. A LEE CYCLONE IS FORECAST TO
    DEVELOP AND DEEPEN ACROSS ERN CO WITH A WARM FRONT EXTENDING EWD
    THROUGH SRN NEB TO SRN IA. THE WARM FRONT WILL SPREAD NEWD INTO THE
    UPPER MS VALLEY ON SAT. A DRY LINE WILL MOVE EWD SOME BY SAT
    AFTERNOON AND SHOULD EXTEND FROM FAR ERN NEB SSWWD THROUGH CENTRAL
    KS TO FAR WRN OK TO THE TX BIG BEND REGION BY LATE SAT AFTERNOON.

    ...SRN AND CENTRAL PLAINS...
    WEAK HEIGHT FALLS ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE SRN/CENTRAL PLAINS THROUGH
    SAT AFTERNOON...WITH STRONGER FALLS FORECAST FOR SAT
    EVENING/OVERNIGHT AS THE PACIFIC TROUGH MOVES TOWARD THE SRN AND
    CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS. STRONG SLY LOW LEVEL WINDS WILL MAINTAIN
    MOISTURE ADVECTION E OF THE DRY LINE ON SAT WITH SURFACE DEWPOINTS
    IN THE MID 60S EXPECTED ACROSS MUCH OF OK AND REACHING CENTRAL/ERN
    KS BY SAT EVENING. THIS MOISTURE RETURN COUPLED WITH STEEP MIDLEVEL
    LAPSE RATES AND STRONG SURFACE HEATING /ESPECIALLY NEAR THE DRY
    LINE/ WILL RESULT IN MODERATE TO STRONG INSTABILITY /MLCAPE
    2000-2500 J PER KG/ ACROSS THE MODERATE RISK AREA BY LATE AFTERNOON
    AND THE SURROUNDING SLIGHT RISK. STRENGTHENING DEEP LAYER WIND
    FIELDS...VEERING WITH HEIGHT...WILL RESULT IN STRONG EFFECTIVE BULK
    SHEAR /EXCEEDING 50 KT/ AND ORIENTED ACROSS THE DRY LINE. THIS
    COMBINED WITH INCREASING LOW LEVEL HODOGRAPH CURVATURE WILL SUPPORT
    TORNADIC SUPERCELLS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR VERY LARGE HAIL AND
    DAMAGING WINDS. THESE FACTORS COMBINED WITH FAST STORM MOTIONS
    SUGGEST THE POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TRACKED...STRONG TORNADOES OCCURRING
    FROM THE AFTERNOON THROUGH THE EVENING /INCLUDING AFTER DARK/.


    ...ERN NEB/IA/NRN MO/NWRN IL/SWRN-SRN WI...
    STRENGTHENING SWLY MIDLEVEL WINDS ACROSS THIS REGION THROUGH D3
    COMBINED WITH MOISTURE/DESTABILIZATION OCCURRING AS A WARM FRONT
    ADVANCES NNEWD SUGGESTS THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY
    FAVORABLE FOR STRONG TO SEVERE STORMS. MODELS SUGGEST SHORTWAVE
    RIDGING ACROSS THIS REGION. HOWEVER..A FEW WEAK IMPULSES EMBEDDED
    IN THE STRONGER FLOW ALOFT AND FORCING FOR ASCENT ALONG THE SWD
    MOVING FRONT AND INVOF OF THE WARM FRONT SHOULD SUPPORT DEEP MOIST
    CONVECTION/TSTMS. MODERATE INSTABILITY AND EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR OF
    40-50 KT WILL FAVOR ORGANIZED STORMS WITH ALL FACETS OF SEVERE
    WEATHER POSSIBLE. GREATEST TORNADO THREAT SHOULD BE CONFINED TO THE
    WARM FRONT AND ALSO WWD NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF THE DRY LINE WARM
    FRONT...WHERE LOW LEVEL SHEAR WILL BE ENHANCED.

    ..PETERS.. 04/12/2012

  2. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    He gets excited about water spinning in a 2-liter. :-P lol
    I suspect during the winter he spends a lot of time flushing toilets....

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    This is how it appears now (subject to change):
    Friday: storms forming in western OK moving into central OK by late evening
    Saturday: storms forming in central OK and moving into eastern OK by late evening.
    Sunday: storms form in eastern OK and move into Arkansas

    Time for storm initiation is anyones guess but late afternoon is a good bet.

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    http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day3otlk.html

    For Saturday the SPC is saying

    “THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A SIGNIFICANT OUTBREAK OF TORNADOES AND VERY LARGE HAIL ACROSS PARTS OF OK/KS”…...

    “ …..THE POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TRACKED...STRONG TORNADOES OCCURRING FROM THE AFTERNOON THROUGH THE EVENING /INCLUDING AFTER DARK/.”


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    The last Day 3 moderate was on April 27th, 2011 in Alabama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day3otlk.html

    For Saturday the SPC is saying

    “THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A SIGNIFICANT OUTBREAK OF TORNADOES AND VERY LARGE HAIL ACROSS PARTS OF OK/KS”…...

    “ …..THE POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TRACKED...STRONG TORNADOES OCCURRING FROM THE AFTERNOON THROUGH THE EVENING /INCLUDING AFTER DARK/.”


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    The last Day 3 moderate was on April 27th, 2011 in Alabama.
    Look like 3 posts back and the full outlook is there. :-P

    Day 3 moderates are rare, but still a lot of time between now and then to get too hyped. Seen plenty moderate/high risk days bust, especially with good chances for ongoing convection Saturday morning.

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    KOCO 5 says be very weather alert this weekend especially on Saturday

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    Found an article today from local research/PhD student Patrick Marsh put together about Day 3 moderates.

    http://www.patricktmarsh.com/2011/04...es-in-context/

    It really puts things in perspective. The massive outbreak last April really was an anomaly and not the norm. On average, the days which had a Day 3 moderate risk (removing the ones that don't meet current mod risk criteria that Marsh pointed out) had an average of...

    28 tornado reports
    132 wind reports
    85 hail reports
    246 total severe weather reports

    That is excluding the outbreak for last year. If we add in the April 27th massive outbreak the averages are...
    61 tornado reports (292 on 4/27/11)
    170 wind reports (438 on 4/27/11)
    100 hail reports (207 on 4/27/11)
    332 total severe weather reports (937 on 4/27/11)

    So while any day when we have 28 tornadoes is a pretty active and impressive day, we need to be careful about comparing it at all to the April 27th outbreak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    Look like 3 posts back and the full outlook is there. :-P

    Day 3 moderates are rare, but still a lot of time between now and then to get too hyped. Seen plenty moderate/high risk days bust, especially with good chances for ongoing convection Saturday morning.
    Any convection Sat morning and/or leftovers from Fridays storms will greatly affect what happens Saturday. If it's sunny and warm around noon on Saturday then be very aware that there could be some violent storms in central OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG918 View Post
    Any convection Sat morning and/or leftovers from Fridays storms will greatly affect what happens Saturday. If it's sunny and warm around noon on Saturday then be very aware that there could be some violent storms in central OK.
    Exactly.

    Lastly, lets keep the thread clean of the big Outlook graphics. They are in the first post of the thread since they change frequently. There is an option to save the image to the site instead of linking which will retain the original image for historical purposes. Otherwise the graphic becomes pointless in a few hours. :-)

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    What ever happened to Thunder?
    He was always posting "stuff" on these weather threads

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG918 View Post
    Any convection Sat morning and/or leftovers from Fridays storms will greatly affect what happens Saturday. If it's sunny and warm around noon on Saturday then be very aware that there could be some violent storms in central OK.
    Yeah and tomorrow is nothing to yawn about either just because its a slight risk currently due to uncertainty. The hatched area between the metro and the border could very well be bumped up to moderate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    He gets excited about water spinning in a 2-liter. :-P lol
    He said on his twitter that every day between now and Sunday looks like the apocalypse. Hyperbole much? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jn1780 View Post
    He said on his twitter that every day between now and Sunday looks like the apocalypse. Hyperbole much? lol
    How else do you get on TV? Sensationalism. He is one of shining figures of everything that is wrong with the storm chasing community these days and why I stopped going out. It's all about how much they can shout and scream on camera and how close they can get to get the amazing shot. All while completely ignoring any concern for human life while driving like idiots and ignoring all traffic laws. Oh well. His show on Discovery got cancelled I believe so its a start. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidburgess View Post
    Wow….. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by adaniel View Post
    ^^
    That stinks. There are several large outdoor events, included the OU Spring Game, scheduled on Saturday.
    I have tickets for the OU spring football game and to the OU baseball game.
    I really wish OU would move the football event up by at least 1 ½ hours if not more.

    This would give most travelers a much better chance to get home before the storms hit.

    There are several nearby large buildings such as the library and the Sarkeys Energy Center that have large deep underground places where people could shelter. At the very least they should keep those buildings open.
    I will try and talk to the security people at OU tomorrow and see what they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    I have tickets for the OU spring football game and to the OU baseball game.
    I really wish OU would move the football event up by at least 1 ½ hours if not more.

    This would give most travelers a much better chance to get home before the storms hit.

    There are several nearby large buildings such as the library and the Sarkeys Energy Center that have large deep underground places where people could shelter. At the very least they should keep those buildings open.
    I will try and talk to the security people at OU tomorrow and see what they say.
    Many years ago, I was in the student union during a big spring storm with a real, live tornado went through Norman. They herded us down to the sub-basement of the student union, and while it was a little crowded, there was concrete everywhere you could see. We stayed there until they blew the all-clear.

    My daughter is going to be very irritated with me as it appears I will have to nix her trip down to Mt. Scott on Saturday with her church group. Can't have her that far out of town with the apparent risk of big-time severe weather on the horizon that day...

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    Venture,

    Is this situation escalating to the point that NWS might issue a PDS for Saturday?

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    Short Term Outlook

    For Today...We'll be mostly socked in with clouds except for portions of NW OK and some areas of SW OK where there is some clearing. We could see this low cloud deck continue to thin out, but it may keep a lid on things for most of the afternoon across much of Western Oklahoma. Through the afternoon and early evening instability will continue to grow over much of Western and SW OK. CAPE values will reach generally around 2000 j/kg. We could see some scattered light rain develop over Central sections early with the cloud cover, but it is a very slight chance. Storms should be going along the dryline to the west in the panhandles and W Kansas by 5PM. Storms right now may not reach Western OK until after dark, however one model is hinting at development in SW OK late this afternoon. Parameters across Western OK will become very favorable for severe weather including tornadoes this evening. Large hail over 1.5" is also possible.

    Storm motion today will be NE @ 30 mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerDave View Post
    Venture,

    Is this situation escalating to the point that NWS might issue a PDS for Saturday?
    Depends on the density of the severe events expected. It isn't out of the realm of possibility we could see a few of the tornado watch boxes be PDS tornado boxes. Way too early to really speculate though. The 12Z GFS has Saturday completely dry for the most part until after dark. Still a lot of things to get through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    New website is being pulled together a bit faster than I had planned. http://www.weatherspotlight.com is the new address. Live Event Chat is also loaded in to cover severe weather the next 3 days, though I won't be available for all of it.
    This chat room is a very good place to get the feel of what the experts expect to happen. It’s filled with plenty of the latest information. I always want to learn more.
    I did try asking a question that for some reason didn’t show up. I ask

    Has OU given any consideration of moving the date or time of its spring football game?

    I was able to post on the old weather chat board but do I need to register or be approved to have my post show up?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    I have tickets for the OU spring football game and to the OU baseball game.
    I really wish OU would move the football event up by at least 1 ½ hours if not more.

    This would give most travelers a much better chance to get home before the storms hit.

    There are several nearby large buildings such as the library and the Sarkeys Energy Center that have large deep underground places where people could shelter. At the very least they should keep those buildings open.
    I will try and talk to the security people at OU tomorrow and see what they say.
    I would be interested to know what they say. I am going to the spring game as well with some coworkers, and my entire time going to OU games I've been lucky to never have to seek shelter from rain, storms, etc. So I'm a bit clueless on their protocol, although you are correct that there is no shortages of basements on campus.

    Should the weather forecast hold up Saturday and be as dire as it sounds, it may not be worth the risk to go down there. I would much rather be out $5 than $5000 from hail damage on my car or even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    This chat room is a very good place to get the feel of what the experts expect to happen. It’s filled with plenty of the latest information. I always want to learn more.
    I did try asking a question that for some reason didn’t show up. I ask

    Has OU given any consideration of moving the date or time of its spring football game?

    I was able to post on the old weather chat board but do I need to register or be approved to have my post show up?
    Thanks.
    I doubt seriously OU would change the game time. I'll be very interested to see if the GFS model Venture mentions continues to keep us dry until after dark.

    You know, I dearly, dearly love Oklahoma, have lived here almost all of my 47+ years, but spring storm/tornado season is the one thing I dread - especially after having seen the destruction in Birmingham from last year, and remembering what May 3, 99 was like...

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    I did start completely fresh this time around. So users who were previous approved to post unmoderated will just need to be approved again. I'm still working on the new website a bit today, but will jump into the chat and approve those who post. If you want to get a head start so you are approved for tomorrow/saturday, post a quick comment in the chat or toss me a PM here with your email address.

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