Able Commission: No New Bars in Bricktown??

[Just the facts]

So if the school is leasing space it isn't considered a school, but if a bar is leasing space it is still considered a bar. Bars have to stay 300' from schools but schools can open next door to a bar. Someone explain to me how this law is 'fair' again. Just do away with the distance requirement completely.

[Midtowner]

Sue based on what? It is the responsibility of the business owner to check all regulations and comply with what they are asking.

It is the responsibility of the state to pass constitutional legislation.

[coldbeer]

Hi...Ive been watching this thread and understand that bricktown was designated a alcohol zoned district from the start. It would seem that common sense would dictate that if a school/church decided to establish themselves inside that zone and of which the city and private businesses have millions of dollars invested...that state overlay law should not apply in this case...they should allow some sort of varience

[Just the facts]

Hi...Ive been watching this thread and understand that bricktown was designated a alcohol zoned district from the start.

Was that done back when Sega Gameworks was planned for Bricktown?

[BoulderSooner]

Hi...Ive been watching this thread and understand that bricktown was designated a alcohol zoned district from the start. It would seem that common sense would dictate that if a school/church decided to establish themselves inside that zone and of which the city and private businesses have millions of dollars invested...that state overlay law should not apply in this case...they should allow some sort of varience

it has nothing to do with the zoning ... it has to do with ABLE issuing them a liquer licence.

[badfish77]

Saw an ad on craigslist hiring staff for a new patio bar in bricktown supposed to be located right on the canal called Cap't Norms Dockside Bar. Anyone know anything about this place or where exactly it will be?

[SkyWestOKC]

There was a thread about it here not too long ago. Anyone know where it went?

[Just the facts]

Pretty sure the UCO school thing put this on hold. No new liquor licenses within 300 feet of a school.

[Watson410]

It's located right next to where the Dungeon Ride was on the Canal level. It should be opened by Aug. 15th.

[ljbab728]

Pretty sure the UCO school thing put this on hold. No new liquor licenses within 300 feet of a school.

That just depends on whether they will receive more than 50% of their revenue from liquor sales.

[Rover]

Maybe they will be approved before ACM completes their deal and will be grandfathered in.

[Steve]

Maybe they will be approved before ACM completes their deal and will be grandfathered in.

Ding, ding, ding...

[metro]

Or they could simply apply for a variance

[Pete]

Regarding variances, I suggested that as alternative to the over-arching ACM and downtown school problems but others have posted indicating that is not even an option with our existing laws.

[metro]

Regarding variances, I suggested that as alternative to the over-arching ACM and downtown school problems but others have posted indicating that is not even an option with our existing laws.

Wow, especially in an entertainment district.

[BoulderSooner]

Wow, especially in an entertainment district.

that is because it is not a zoneing issue (all of bricktown is in an ABC overlay) .. it is a state ABLE license issue

[Pete]

To not even have a process in place to consider special exceptions is absurd yet consistent with the rest of our crazy liquor laws.

[Urbanized]

Captain Norm's Facebook page

Oklahoma mixed beverage license in hand. Still some miscellaneous finish work, staff training and provisioning to go before opening, but look for an opening date to be announced soon.

[Patrick]

that is because it is not a zoneing issue (all of bricktown is in an ABC overlay) .. it is a state ABLE license issue

No....it's an Oklahoma "Baptist" issue.

[kevinpate]

No....it's an Oklahoma "Baptist" issue.

Now, if that were it, this would be a 'by the wink' state

[Larry OKC]

To a certain extent that is true. While I understand the morality basis for the proximity rule (not saying I agree with it, just understand where they are coming from). If it is wrong it is wrong. Yet businesses are grandfathered in and allowed to violate the intent of the statute. This was brought up again by Councilman Kelly recently. I got the impression he didn't seem to understand why it didn't apply to pre-exisiting businesses, but only to new ones.

[rcjunkie]

To a certain extent that is true. While I understand the morality basis for the proximity rule (not saying I agree with it, just understand where they are coming from). If it is wrong it is wrong. Yet businesses are grandfathered in and allowed to violate the intent of the statute. This was brought up again by Councilman Kelly recently. I got the impression he didn't seem to understand why it didn't apply to pre-exisiting businesses, but only to new ones.

Some never cease to amaze me, the distance rule/law has absolutely nothing to do with "morality"!!!!

[Larry OKC]

Oh wise one, then what does it have to deal with? And you may need to share that info with your legislator and council person just so they are clear on the matter. Oh, and let Patrick know too (he is the one that mentioned the Baptist thing)

[Rover]

A Baptist thing? Are we back in the 50s?

This is a law with good intent and sometimes bad results that needs some tweaking to take into account situations that it didn't anticipate...like this one. It is now obvious and will be addressed.

[rcjunkie]

Oh wise one, then what does it have to deal with? And you may need to share that info with your legislator and council person just so they are clear on the matter. Oh, and let Patrick know too (he is the one that mentioned the Baptist thing)

It's a safety issue and a means of keeping underaged children from the exposure. If it was a "Baptist thing" as you state, why doesn't the law only apply to Churches.