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    Quote Originally Posted by HangryHippo View Post
    I was surprised by the female representative’s quote that she was against the bill because “her constituents don’t want Oklahoma to change.” I’m trying to find the article where I read it, but some representatives in this state truly don’t want us competing or advancing. Luckily, at least while this is the way it is, the majority supported this.
    Right. Many Oklahomans in rural counties don’t want Oklahoma to change but the majority of urban Oklahomans don't want to be held back as the world moves on in the 21st century. Oklahoma has changed a lot for the better since 2016 without much help from rural Oklahomans.

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    There have been many instances since taking office that the Governor has wasted millions of dollars. Stitt has acted like the funds in the treasury are for his use with no accountability.
    Until this changes I have no faith in his judgement.
    Why does anybody think this will be different? Other than Panasonic is not being investigated by the SEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    There have been many instances since taking office that the Governor has wasted millions of dollars. Stitt has acted like the funds in the treasury are for his use with no accountability.
    Until this changes I have no faith in his judgement.
    Why does anybody think this will be different? Other than Panasonic is not being investigated by the SEC.
    Panasonic is one of the top companies globally. They are a sure thing. Canoo is iffy, but this would be a very sure thing.

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    It’s actually 613 million dollars and I thought Canoo already received money?

    https://www.news9.com/story/6262a905...d-act-into-law

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    The $698 million would be paid for up front out of state savings of about $2 billion, Thompson said.
    https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-an...home-top-story

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    If you argue against nuclear energy you might as well be arguing that man induced climate change isn’t real. You are denying science.

    https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    If you argue against nuclear energy you might as well be arguing that man induced climate change isn’t real. You are denying science.

    https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste
    But the other green alternatives make us feel good because, you don't see the pollution and waste because they are made in factories in China.

    At least China is building those nuclear plants to power their factories. CO2 emissions may actually come down if they can swap the coal for nuclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jn1780 View Post
    But the other green alternatives make us feel good because, you don't see the pollution and waste because they are made in factories in China.

    At least China is building those nuclear plants to power their factories. CO2 emissions may actually come down if they can swap the coal for nuclear.
    Don't forget the child slave labor for rare earth mining.

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    There’s article after article showing the benefits of nuclear power and off setting the fear mongering https://world-nuclear.org/nuclear-es...o-with-it.aspx

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    Amazing how much money has been spent on that WIPP program/facility. It almost would have been cheaper to just launch it all into space on a collision course with the sun. I am kidding. We have put enough junk in space.

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    We should all hope the fact scientists are getting very close to nuclear fusion power generation will make the new power issue irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    We should all hope the fact scientists are getting very close to nuclear fusion power generation will make the new power issue irrelevant.
    do you mean cold fusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shartel_ave View Post
    do you mean cold fusion?
    They are not the same thing exactly. Cold fusion would, hypothetically, take place at room temperature while the nuclear fusion processes that is being accomplished now is done at millions of degrees.

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    I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

    https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/sta...95314690465794

    In a wild statement from 10 #okleg Republicans that will detract from important budget/veto happenings, Rep. Jim Olsen et al say they don't want #Panasonic to select #Oklahoma because "they have called for advocacy and activism specifically in support of the LGBTQ+ community."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

    https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/sta...95314690465794
    We really do send some insane people to represent us. They better be prepared to leave Oklahoma behind in economic opportunities if they want to keep out any company they consider woke or exercises ESG, which probably covers a large majority of Fortune 100 companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    We really do send some insane people to represent us. They better be prepared to leave Oklahoma behind in economic opportunities if they want to keep out any company they consider woke or exercises ESG, which probably covers a large majority of Fortune 100 companies.
    If enough sane as well as smart people are willing to run for state office and then enough sane people willing to vote for them, it would sure help Oklahoma to advance. Some of the insane ones in office at the state capitol next year want to ban sales of birth control to women unless they can prove they are married. Then there is this article that had better be taken seriously:

    Investment group warns that Oklahoma abortion laws could hurt business recruitment and economic development. However, Oklahoma lawmakers shrug off such concerns, saying that if there’s an economic price to pay for protecting unborn life, Oklahomans are willing to pay it.
    https://www.enidnews.com/oklahoma/in...21c727151.html

    So, if Oklahoma loses the Panasonic plant, then the above likely explains why.

    Contrary to what Gov. Stitt thinks, the majority of Oklahomans want abortion well regulated, not banned and out of control as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

    https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/sta...95314690465794
    They NEVER said they don't want Panasonic to come to Oklahoma. All they said was that the company has, in the past, gone against views most Oklahomans have (not me or you, but most in this state do have) and they hope they won't be super active in promoting said views. But they never said they don't want them in the state, in any way, whatsoever. It is so frustrating how annoying some of these click-bait posts can be. They have already passed the tax incentives, and are just tying to get re-elected. Panasonic won't give a single crap about this.

    Granted, it is stupid of them to put this out. But it neither bashes Panasonic nor tells them to stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chssooner View Post
    They NEVER said they don't want Panasonic to come to Oklahoma. All they said was that the company has, in the past, gone against views most Oklahomans have (not me or you, but most in this state do have) and they hope they won't be super active in promoting said views.
    65% of Oklahomans support gay marriage. It’s important to remember that the legislature is more conservative and bigoted than the state as a whole. Unfortunately, many Oklahomans assume these legislators actually represent the state, which has fostered a learned helplessness that the state can’t support LGBTQ+ rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankrutka View Post
    65% of Oklahomans support gay marriage. It’s important to remember that the legislature is more conservative and bigoted than the state as a whole. Unfortunately, many Oklahomans assume these legislators actually represent the state, which has fostered a learned helplessness that the state can’t support LGBTQ+ rights.
    But our politicians ARE the face of the state. They have learned very well how to control without representing the majority. They are good at that and propagandizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    But our politicians ARE the face of the state. They have learned very well how to control without representing the majority. They are good at that and propagandizing.
    Yes, that is absolutely true, but you may have missed the reason for my comment. The poster stated that the majority of Oklahomans (not their reps) opposed LGBTQ rights. There is no question that Oklahoma does far too little to support the LGBTQ+ community, but it can result in a learned helplessness when attribute the homophobia and transphobia of the legislature to all Oklahomans. I think Oklahomans are at least a little bit better than the state "reps." It erases queer Oklahomans and all those people who support them. That was my only point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG918 View Post
    Exactly, the hope is that by attracting these types of companies we'll have more left-leaning citizens that vote out these idiots.
    From your lips to God’s ears. These morons never cease to amaze.

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    No, the Panasonic investment is close to $1 Billion

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    The Kansas governor is apparently "very confident" they'll land the Panasonic plant.

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    Oklahoma is offering less than Kansas in incentives AND has legislators saying they aren’t interested in the “woke nonsense” that company would bring. I’d probably choose Kansas too.

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