Panasonic Battery Plant

[Jersey Boss]

There have been many instances since taking office that the Governor has wasted millions of dollars. Stitt has acted like the funds in the treasury are for his use with no accountability.
Until this changes I have no faith in his judgement.
Why does anybody think this will be different? Other than Panasonic is not being investigated by the SEC.

[chssooner]

There have been many instances since taking office that the Governor has wasted millions of dollars. Stitt has acted like the funds in the treasury are for his use with no accountability.
Until this changes I have no faith in his judgement.
Why does anybody think this will be different? Other than Panasonic is not being investigated by the SEC.

Panasonic is one of the top companies globally. They are a sure thing. Canoo is iffy, but this would be a very sure thing.

[Swake]

Where are you seeing that? All I saw was 730 million vs. the Kansas 1.2 billion dollar offer.

https://tulsaworld.com/business/loca...79ccfe36b.html

[Plutonic Panda]

https://tulsaworld.com/business/loca...79ccfe36b.html

I’m not seeing where you said Oklahoma is offering more than the 700 million dollar figure.

[Plutonic Panda]

It’s actually 613 million dollars and I thought Canoo already received money?

https://www.news9.com/story/6262a905...d-act-into-law

[David]

I’m not seeing where you said Oklahoma is offering more than the 700 million dollar figure.

That article is about a $300 million TIF district which is presumably on top of the $700 million from the state.

[Bunty]

I was surprised by the female representative’s quote that she was against the bill because “her constituents don’t want Oklahoma to change.” I’m trying to find the article where I read it, but some representatives in this state truly don’t want us competing or advancing. Luckily, at least while this is the way it is, the majority supported this.

Right. Many Oklahomans in rural counties don’t want Oklahoma to change but the majority of urban Oklahomans don't want to be held back as the world moves on in the 21st century. Oklahoma has changed a lot for the better since 2016 without much help from rural Oklahomans.

[Jersey Boss]

Have they figured out how to shorten the half life of the radioactive spent fuel?

Finland might have this figured out. Interesting article.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/finla...b09c32edf7be5a

[catcherinthewry]

Finland might have this figured out. Interesting article.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/finla...b09c32edf7be5a

No, they think they have designed a better storage system, but there is no way to reduce the half life of radioactive material of which there are 250k tons currently stored around the world and will be a threat for hundreds of thousands of years.

[shawnw]

The $698 million would be paid for up front out of state savings of about $2 billion, Thompson said.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-an...home-top-story

[gopokes88]

No, they think they have designed a better storage system, but there is no way to reduce the half life of radioactive material of which there are 250k tons currently stored around the world and will be a threat for hundreds of thousands of years.

It can fit on 2 football fields. It's also in-cased in glass and concrete.

Nuclear fears are unscientific nonsense.

[Plutonic Panda]

It can fit on 2 football fields. It's also in-cased in glass and concrete.

Nuclear fears are unscientific nonsense.

Yep.

[catcherinthewry]

It can fit on 2 football fields.

True, but..

"In fact, the U.S. nuclear industry has produced roughly 64,000 metric tons (one metric ton equals 1.1 U.S. tons) of radioactive used fuel rods in total or, in the words of NEI, enough "to cover a football field about seven yards deep (edit. It is now 10 yards deep)." (Of course, actually concentrating rods this way would set off a nuclear chain reaction.)"

Nuclear fears are unscientific nonsense.

That would be news to the scientific community. You should enlighten them with your knowledge.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...energy-source/

I know this article is 13 years old, but no solutions that are fool proof for storing spent nuclear fuel for 250,000 yrs have been found since it was written.

"A 98-foot-wide, two-mile-long ditch with steep walls 33 feet deep that bristles with magnets and radar reflectors will stand for millennia as a warning to future humans not to trifle with what is hidden inside the Waste Isolation Pilot Project (WIPP) outside Carlsbad, N.M. Paired with 48 stone or concrete 105-ton markers, etched with warnings in seven languages ranging from English to Navajo as well as human faces contorted into expressions of horror, the massive installation is meant to stand for at least 10,000 years—twice as long as the Egyptian pyramids have survived.
But the plutonium ensconced in the salt mine at the center of this installation will be lethal to humans for at least 25 times that long—even once the salt walls ooze inward to entomb the legacy of American atomic weapons. And WIPP will only hold a fraction, though a more deadly fraction, of the amount of nuclear waste the U.S. plans to store at Yucca Mountain in Nevada or some other site designated to replace it as a permanent repository for the residue of nuclear reactions."

[gopokes88]

True, but..

"In fact, the U.S. nuclear industry has produced roughly 64,000 metric tons (one metric ton equals 1.1 U.S. tons) of radioactive used fuel rods in total or, in the words of NEI, enough "to cover a football field about seven yards deep (edit. It is now 10 yards deep)." (Of course, actually concentrating rods this way would set off a nuclear chain reaction.)"



That would be news to the scientific community. You should enlighten them with your knowledge.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...energy-source/

I know this article is 13 years old, but no solutions that are fool proof for storing spent nuclear fuel for 250,000 yrs have been found since it was written.

"A 98-foot-wide, two-mile-long ditch with steep walls 33 feet deep that bristles with magnets and radar reflectors will stand for millennia as a warning to future humans not to trifle with what is hidden inside the Waste Isolation Pilot Project (WIPP) outside Carlsbad, N.M. Paired with 48 stone or concrete 105-ton markers, etched with warnings in seven languages ranging from English to Navajo as well as human faces contorted into expressions of horror, the massive installation is meant to stand for at least 10,000 years—twice as long as the Egyptian pyramids have survived.
But the plutonium ensconced in the salt mine at the center of this installation will be lethal to humans for at least 25 times that long—even once the salt walls ooze inward to entomb the legacy of American atomic weapons. And WIPP will only hold a fraction, though a more deadly fraction, of the amount of nuclear waste the U.S. plans to store at Yucca Mountain in Nevada or some other site designated to replace it as a permanent repository for the residue of nuclear reactions."

The scientific community is largely unconcerned with nuclear waste. They know how to store it safely and effectively. Perhaps your confusing scientific fact with political activism? The point isn't that we should store it on 2 football fields. The point is there is a tiny tiny amount of nuclear waste, the space it takes up is minimal, and there's never been a serious radiation leak or issue.. Compare that to the environmental costs to a landfill.

Yeah tons of humans are going to stumble upon WIPP.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/WO...4d-103.7932281

Yep those inert obsidian cubes are super dangerous and easily accessible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72kOy0wdDjM&t=3s

[catcherinthewry]

The scientific community is largely unconcerned with nuclear waste. They know how to store it safely and effectively. Perhaps your confusing scientific fact with political activism?

Perhaps you are confusing your opinion for fact.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN18M2OP

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission greatly underestimated the risk and potential contamination of a nuclear waste fire triggered by a quake or a planned attack, experts writing in the journal “Science” said.

In 2014, the NRC found the chance of a disaster caused by leaving radioactive waste in storage pools was too remote to warrant the cost of moving it to safer dry casks.

An earthquake that could trigger a radiation leak was likely less than once every 10 million years, hardly justifying the cost of about $50 million per reactor to transfer spent fuel, the NRC said in that report.

An accident at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant in 2011 was triggered by a tsunami after an earthquake.

“We think the NRC gamed their analysis essentially to get the answer they want,” said Edwin Lyman, a senior scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists and one of the authors of the article in “Science,” a magazine published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

The collapse of a decommissioned tunnel at a plutonium-handling facility in Hanford, Washington, this month was a reminder of the potential risk of storing radioactive material.

[catcherinthewry]

The point is there is a tiny tiny amount of nuclear waste, the space it takes up is minimal, and there's never been a serious radiation leak or issue.

80 years down 249,920 to go. What could go wrong?

[Plutonic Panda]

If you argue against nuclear energy you might as well be arguing that man induced climate change isn’t real. You are denying science.

https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste

[Plutonic Panda]

There’s article after article showing the benefits of nuclear power and off setting the fear mongering https://world-nuclear.org/nuclear-es...o-with-it.aspx

[catch22]

Amazing how much money has been spent on that WIPP program/facility. It almost would have been cheaper to just launch it all into space on a collision course with the sun. I am kidding. We have put enough junk in space.

[jn1780]

If you argue against nuclear energy you might as well be arguing that man induced climate change isn’t real. You are denying science.

https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste

But the other green alternatives make us feel good because, you don't see the pollution and waste because they are made in factories in China.

At least China is building those nuclear plants to power their factories. CO2 emissions may actually come down if they can swap the coal for nuclear.

[mugofbeer]

We should all hope the fact scientists are getting very close to nuclear fusion power generation will make the new power issue irrelevant.

[gopokes88]

But the other green alternatives make us feel good because, you don't see the pollution and waste because they are made in factories in China.

At least China is building those nuclear plants to power their factories. CO2 emissions may actually come down if they can swap the coal for nuclear.

Don't forget the child slave labor for rare earth mining.

[shawnw]

I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/sta...95314690465794

In a wild statement from 10 #okleg Republicans that will detract from important budget/veto happenings, Rep. Jim Olsen et al say they don't want #Panasonic to select #Oklahoma because "they have called for advocacy and activism specifically in support of the LGBTQ+ community."

[onthestrip]

I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/sta...95314690465794

We really do send some insane people to represent us. They better be prepared to leave Oklahoma behind in economic opportunities if they want to keep out any company they consider woke or exercises ESG, which probably covers a large majority of Fortune 100 companies.

[chssooner]

I guess we don't want Panasonic anymore

https://twitter.com/ThriceSavage/sta...95314690465794

They NEVER said they don't want Panasonic to come to Oklahoma. All they said was that the company has, in the past, gone against views most Oklahomans have (not me or you, but most in this state do have) and they hope they won't be super active in promoting said views. But they never said they don't want them in the state, in any way, whatsoever. It is so frustrating how annoying some of these click-bait posts can be. They have already passed the tax incentives, and are just tying to get re-elected. Panasonic won't give a single crap about this.

Granted, it is stupid of them to put this out. But it neither bashes Panasonic nor tells them to stay away.