Oklahoma Factory Shoppes - I40 & Council

[foodiefan]

You mean similar to what Penn Square used to be about 30 years ago?

Otherwise known as the "cycle of life". . or re-inventing the wheel!!

[mcca7596]

You mean similar to what Penn Square used to be about 30 years ago?

Ah, you're right; I forget about that easily when I only turned 22 today. lol

[MDot]

Ah, you're right; I forget about that easily when I only turned 22 today. lol

Happy Birthday.

[mcca7596]

Happy Birthday.

Gracias!

[MDot]

Gracias!

De nada.

[ljbab728]

I wouldn't be against this.

That design looks fine but I don't see any major benefit compared to what we got with the Outlet center. The few cars that can park next to the building would enjoy it I guess. LOL

[bombermwc]

There's a similar area in Kansas City. The upscale area is all outdoor stores like a normal street would be. Except they included some parking garages in the mix here and there so you don't have to walk all over creation to get there...it's not downtown, and it's far more urban than the AZ example. A short walk a few blocks over and you're also to a little less upscale area with plenty of good stuff. It's the real concept of what outdoor pedestrian shopping can be.

But like with any outdoor one, when it's hot then you want to die and when it's cold you want to die. Hence why they all moved indoors in the first place. The whole Town Center outdoor concept came back because people want to be able to park right outside their shop and not walk through the mall to get there...ie lazy.

[mcca7596]

That design looks fine but I don't see any major benefit compared to what we got with the Outlet center. The few cars that can park next to the building would enjoy it I guess. LOL

I guess I just really want that "main street feel" for shopping somewhere in the metro.

[ljbab728]

I guess I just really want that "main street feel" for shopping somewhere in the metro.

I guess if you're one of the few cars that can park next to the building you might get that feel. For most people in a large complex that won't be possible though.

You can still get that feel in the metro in downtown Norman and to some extent in downtown Edmond or downtown Yukon.

[mcca7596]

I guess if you're one of the few cars that can park next to the building you might get that feel. For most people in a large complex that won't be possible though.

At places like SanTan though, that's just it, there are multiple buildings like the ones I posted, with numerous stores. There are several cross streets within the complex. It's not like you have to get lucky to be able to walk from store to store, that will happen no matter where you park.

When I say "main street feel", I mean more in the sense of the amenity of walking OUTSIDE along sidewalks from store to store, moreso than the ability to park right up to the store on the street.

I suppose ultimately, the outlet mall does have that feel, sans traditional sidewalks; it just feels more like a mall with half a roof/partially outside to me.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=SanTan...izona&t=h&z=17

[ljbab728]

At places like SanTan though, that's just it, there are multiple buildings like the ones I posted, with numerous stores. There are several cross streets within the complex. It's not like you have to get lucky to be able to walk from store to store, that will happen no matter where you park.

When I say "main street feel", I mean more in the sense of the amenity of walking OUTSIDE along sidewalks from store to store, moreso than the ability to park right up to the store on the street.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=SanTan...izona&t=h&z=17

That may give you a main street feel for part of the complex but it is surrounded by a sea of parking lots just like any shopping mall. What would be an enclosed area in many malls is open with a street and parking. If in you're parking in the outer parking area instead of one of the few spots next to the buildings you will still have major walking to do. Not that walking is bad though. I'm not knocking the design but I don't see it as an example of an ideal shopping area.

[mcca7596]

... but I don't see it as an example of an ideal shopping area.

Oh no, me neither in the sense of its sustainability or urbanity. I just personally really enjoy the atmosphere. :-)

[foodiefan]

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[foodiefan]

SanTan looks a bit like a "new" Utica Square to me.

[Larry OKC]

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-tax-...man-editorials

The bump represents about $100,000 per month extra so far for the city.

Total sales during the outlet mall's first four months of business were about $50 million, which is $15 million higher than city officials projected.

While the $50 million total and $15 million increase is accurate (based on the projections made when this was proposed back in '07 or so), the rest of the math isn't adding up??? Someone help me....

$50 million in sales over the 4 month period
x 3.875% (City share of the 8.375% sales tax)
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$1,937,500 for the 4 month period or
$484,375/month in sales tax (just for the Outlet Mall, not including other sources)

This is 4.8 times the amount reported??? Where is the other $384,000/month?

[stoid]

The rest is probably in employer taxes , it is a huge amount of each owners payroll and eats up profits possible.

[Popsy]

Well Larry, it seems to me that there could be very simple answers. If the outlet malls tax collections for the month were $485,375 for each month, but the total sales tax collected by the city only increased by $100,000 that tells me that other sources collected $384,000 less than what they collected in the prior year. This would indicate that the outlet mall had a higher impact on other merchants than what the city had hoped would happen. Also the tax holiday occurred during the period referenced and that event could have affected the numbers. If you could come up with the total sales eligible for the tax holiday were we could apply the 3.875% to that number to arrive at a more effective number. So maybe there is not one of your conspiracies here after all.

[OKC1987]

"The Outlet Shoppes at Oklahoma City, at Interstate 40 and Council Road, is fully leased, said mall manager Debbie Griesinger. Leasing has begun for phase two of the project, which is in the planning stages, she said."

Exciting news!

Read more: http://newsok.com/the-outlet-shoppes...#ixzz1jy9rw1f9

[Jesseda]

what will phase 2 bring? is it a expansion? how big?

[Snowman]

what will phase 2 bring? is it a expansion? how big?

Similar build style of the other structures. If you look at an aerial view, you will see two grass rectangles on the south side of the east and west buildings where new buildings will go.

[mrktguy29]

Saw today where American Eagle Outfitters is going to be moving in. I didnt see if it was Phase 1 or pre-lease to Phase II

[mcca7596]

Saw today where American Eagle Outfitters is going to be moving in. I didnt see if it was Phase 1 or pre-lease to Phase II

I believe it is filling the space where the bookstore was.

[G.Walker]

man, phase 2 already, must have been a huge success!

[G.Walker]

Ok, I found it, expansion potential is up to an additional 60,000 square feet....nice...

[progressiveboy]

Maybe perhaps a Nordstrom Rack? Just recently, saw article in DO (about 2-3 weeks ago) where they are looking into the OKC market. I believe Armani XC and Kenneth Cole would be another good fit!