Boardwalk at Bricktown / Dream Hotel

[CatholicSooner]

Austin also has one of the best universities in the United States and a student population almost the size of Midwest City.

In my opinion, the university of texas really sucks

[Jake]

The tower being so tall it's cut off in the picture on the NewsOK headline is very funny to me.

[macfoucin]

Build it.

[CatholicSooner]

Build it.

nah...reeks of little man syndrome

[Rover]

But for companies going there, they get massive tax breaks, so they basically pay no property taxes. That burden gets shifted to the commoner.

This is not true.

[chssooner]

This is not true.

You win. I'm done having you breathing down my neck in every thread. Texas companies pay the same amount of taxes as Oklahoma. You're right. Those chapter 313 tax breaks weren't beneficial to corporations moving to Texas. Them having no state income tax or state capital gains tax doesn't benefit them moving to Texas. All things are equal between OK and TX. You win.

Anyways, while the super tall likely won't get built for a long time, the other towers look great, and seem to have som LOIs signs, as actually company logos and branding are included.

[Rover]

In my opinion, the university of texas really sucks

As a proud Sooner, we share opinions of our rival. However, I do respect the level of education they provide and the academic respect the institution has earned. The influence of their alums cannot be overlooked in the development of the Austin area either.

[fortpatches]

Just FYI, the last like 150 comments here are about this tower.
Boardwalk at Bricktown / Dream Hotel (okctalk.com)

Starting here: https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.p...31#post1253431
With images here: https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.p...46#post1253446

[Plutonic Panda]

I choose to believe the tower will happen and no one can convince me otherwise.

[Rover]

This will never happen. There aren't even enough people who live in Oklahoma City who would be able to afford the rent in a tower that size with that many apartments.

Pipe dream.

But the renderings are nice!

That may be true now, but in 10-15 years, that may not be the case. At best, the planning on the super tall would begin in 6-10 years and would take another 3-4 to come to fruition. When hunting, shoot where the bird will be, not where it is now or you will always miss.

[Rover]

I choose to believe the tower will happen and no one can convince me otherwise.

[Rover]

You win. I'm done having you breathing down my neck in every thread. Texas companies pay the same amount of taxes as Oklahoma. You're right. Those chapter 313 tax breaks weren't beneficial to corporations moving to Texas. Them having no state income tax or state capital gains tax doesn't benefit them moving to Texas. All things are equal between OK and TX. You win.

Anyways, while the super tall likely won't get built for a long time, the other towers look great, and seem to have som LOIs signs, as actually company logos and branding are included.

Not trying to "breath down your neck" but not accepting general broad statements on the board.

Nevada, Ohio, Texas, and Washington forgo corporate income taxes but instead impose gross receipts taxes on businesses, which are generally thought to be more economically harmful due to tax pyramiding, disparate impacts on low-margin businesses, and non-transparency. As to state corp tax: North Carolina’s flat rate of 2.5 percent is the lowest in the country, followed by rates in Missouri and Oklahoma (both at 4 percent) and North Dakota (4.31 percent).

OKC and OK keep ignoring the fact that poorly educated populations are highly responsible for low average income and low levels of capital investment. OKC has finally started to overcome the reputation of being a backwater city (thanks in part to the Thunder spotlight) but it needs to keep fighting for education, training, and capital, as well as lifestyle.

[bombermwc]

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news...g/71958934007/

I just can't see this ever happening, but if it does, well that would be damned cool. Sort of like Devon, it will stick out like a sore thumb compared to the other buildings in downtown. If you thought the Devon Tower was a big middle finger, well what's this one? lol.

It says, it's dependent on the success of the other towers. We've yet to really build any downtown residential to the scale of the first 3 towers in this project. Conversions are not the same thing, neither are the suburban apartment complexes in Bricktown/Deep Deuce. So like they said, we'll see. Do we have enough market draw to get anywhere near this? I'm skeptical myself. One of the ever-present challenges is that downtown is in OKC Public Schools. I believe, specifically feeding in to Douglas? Yes we have some charters around. But honestly, i'm not living in downtown without a better education option for my children. I think that's going to be a big hindrance.

[Tyson]

I choose to believe the tower will happen and no one can convince me otherwise.

I like you. Joining that mentality

[chssooner]

Not trying to "breath down your neck" but not accepting general broad statements on the board.

Nevada, Ohio, Texas, and Washington forgo corporate income taxes but instead impose gross receipts taxes on businesses, which are generally thought to be more economically harmful due to tax pyramiding, disparate impacts on low-margin businesses, and non-transparency. As to state corp tax: North Carolina’s flat rate of 2.5 percent is the lowest in the country, followed by rates in Missouri and Oklahoma (both at 4 percent) and North Dakota (4.31 percent).

OKC and OK keep ignoring the fact that poorly educated populations are highly responsible for low average income and low levels of capital investment. OKC has finally started to overcome the reputation of being a backwater city (thanks in part to the Thunder spotlight) but it needs to keep fighting for education, training, and capital, as well as lifestyle.

I agree there. We need to focus more on not just funding education, but also spending the money wisely is important.

Edited to remove the callous remark I made, and remove politics from this. Apologies.

[Canoe]

I agree there. We need to focus more on not just funding education, but also getting that inbred hick Walters out of there. We can throw all the money in the world at education, and it would fail because he believes books are bad.

I am on the side of educator and they tend to be against Walters but not for the reasons on your post. A post like yours calling a man you dislike inbred and against books in general and not certain books in particular is lazy, but probably effective rhetoric. I warn you against using these sort of tactics because if you do they will certainly be used against you and the opinions you hold in the future.

I know you will say that this is the way of the world and there is no going back, but I still hold out hope the better angels of our nature will reassert themselves at some point in my lifetime. Be well chsooner.

[CatholicSooner]

I agree there. We need to focus more on not just funding education, but also getting that inbred hick Walters out of there. We can throw all the money in the world at education, and it would fail because he believes books are bad.

Yeah, because education in Oklahoma was in such a great spot before Walters lol

Can you please quote where he said books are bad? Otherwise, I think you should delete your libel

[CatholicSooner]

A post like yours calling a man you dislike inbred

that is all people like him have...is to attack personally and tell lies. That is why I can't get behind teachers. If they can't even be honest themselves, how and why should I trust them with my children? If they are for porn being in libraries, how and why should I trust them with my children?

The state would be better without government run schools

[runOKC]

that is all people like him have...is to attack personally and tell lies. That is why I can't get behind teachers. If they can't even be honest themselves, how and why should I trust them with my children? If they are for porn being in libraries, how and why should I trust them with my children?

The state would be better without government run schools

Aaannyywwaaaayyy….

Back to this development. I wish we had renderings without the supertall, and then one with it. Would be nice to see what the possible reality would look like 3-5 years from now.

[therhett17]

I don't like Walters either but we are getting way political and off topic now...

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I am on the side of educator and they tend to be against Walters but not for the reasons on your post. A post like yours calling a man you dislike inbred and against books in general and not certain books in particular is lazy, but probably effective rhetoric. I warn you against using these sort of tactics because if you do they will certainly be used against you and the opinions you hold in the future.

I know you will say that this is the way of the world and there is no going back, but I still hold out hope the better angels of our nature will reassert themselves at some point in my lifetime. Be well chsooner.

This. Over and over. For the sake of any future of civility, we must call out those whom we might otherwise agree with for insanely low standards for decent conversation. Thank you for these words. They are wise words, Canoe. I, too, hope all is not lost in believing immature name-calling, crude and crass “discussion” will one day soon be seen, again, for what is: intellectually lazy thinking and lacking of any class at all.

[G.Walker]

My question is Why? lol. Why do you want a tower that tall? There is surely not a need for it here, and it doesn't fit. So you are going to built the 2nd tallest building in the whole US, just because you can? Doesn't make any sense. I am sure that tower alone would cost more than $1B. Why not use that money and build another 4 tower mixed use development closer to downtown?

[EtanEiko]

SO... Three towers seem like they are very very likely. one 35 floor 480 room hotel and two, 32 floor residential buildings, that they hope to break ground on in 2024. I'd assume late 2024 but holy smoke how exciting is all of this!

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Matteson seems bullish on Oklahoma City, whether the supertall happens or not. Aspirational thinking by developers seemed to go away in the 90’s … if this is any indication, a developer like this guy who seems to really like where OKC is right now, is a good sign for our city.

[CaptDave]

I'd kind of like to see that super-tall split into two towers on the REHCO site.......talk about transforming the OKC skyline.

But this development will be incredible with just the primary towers. I can see the apartments attracting a lot of younger people to live in downtown which will spur all kinds of additional development for core services like groceries, etc. I'm glad there are provisions for "workforce" residences but wonder what the rent will be and what one might get. My son is a person that would likely be interested.