Electric Vehicles

[Snowman]

Given the small end of truck market was largely abandon years ago due to CAFE standards, it was a little surprising some of bigger manufactures did not target their EV trucks in that zone, given there there should be more pent up demand at that size than in the current ICE truck lineups.

[April in the Plaza]

Given the small end of truck market was largely abandon years ago due to CAFE standards, it was a little surprising some of bigger manufactures did not target their EV trucks in that zone, given there there should be more pent up demand at that size than in the current ICE truck lineups.

yea, it would be pretty amazing if someone came out with a mid-size hybrid truck that could put down a sub 4 second 0-60 time. looks like scout / volkswagen might be the first to do it.

[TheTravellers]

If it wasn't BMW I wouldn't have even considered electric but it's literally the exact same chassis as the normal 4 series. That's true on the 5 & 7's as well. I didn't stay in a 5 series for one just because the new one is so large now & saving a few hundred a month all around was too good to pass up.

Really though it's the exact same BMW driving experience in terms of handling, m sport chassis, etc. Interior to a T is the exact same. I drove the m440 and wasn't even close to as quick. They also did a hans zimmer sci fi sounding noise experience that really helps the overall experience IMO esp in sport mode. It's so quiet and smooth though. All the luxury and classic elements retained with lightning quick electric performance.

The "sameness" is why I love my MINI Cooper SE - they just took the body and cabin of a regular Cooper S and put it on top of a new chassis/batteries (MINI is made by BMW). The startup noise and pedestrian warning noises are pretty cool, wife says they're spaceship-ish, and the sport mode of the MINI is truly incredible (and a bit scary at first). Hoping it'll last me for decades, because the new electric MINIs from China don't do much for me.

[OKCRealtor]

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Exactly it's the exact same driving experience/feel other than electric power/sound vs ICE.

I've been a car guy since high school and still feel a little weird about it but I know i'll get used to it and love it. It's roller coaster torque & G's when you punch it.

I still want a true sports car, if housing market recovers I could see a corvette or something else in next couple years if I can hit some goals.

[Midtowner]

Well I think I've settled on an EV. Probably going with the Tesla Y.

I've been driving bimmers for the past decade or more, but I haven't been very impressed with their range. I've also disagreed with some of their philosophical choices, i.e., charging customers monthly or annual service fees to access basic features in vehicles like heated seats/steering wheel/etc.

I also like the Y's larger storage area and the ability to haul stuff. It's not quite my Honda Element from back in my undergrad days where I was able to haul an entire pallate (loaded by a forklift) of flooring once, but it's a big difference. I spend most of my time in central Oklahoma, but do take the occasional trip to Guymon, Idabel, Stilwell, Altus, Bartlesville, etc., and it looks like not only would the Y be good for most round trips starting from full, but I've been paying attention to charger buildouts and most of these towns have chargers now.

The big issue I have making me want to wait a few months to pull the trigger is that the Y is supposed to see a major overhaul in early 2025 and they're pretty mum about what the specifics are going to be. If it's just cosmetic, who cares?

[FighttheGoodFight]

Well I think I've settled on an EV. Probably going with the Tesla Y.

I've been driving bimmers for the past decade or more, but I haven't been very impressed with their range. I've also disagreed with some of their philosophical choices, i.e., charging customers monthly or annual service fees to access basic features in vehicles like heated seats/steering wheel/etc.

I also like the Y's larger storage area and the ability to haul stuff. It's not quite my Honda Element from back in my undergrad days where I was able to haul an entire pallate (loaded by a forklift) of flooring once, but it's a big difference. I spend most of my time in central Oklahoma, but do take the occasional trip to Guymon, Idabel, Stilwell, Altus, Bartlesville, etc., and it looks like not only would the Y be good for most round trips starting from full, but I've been paying attention to charger buildouts and most of these towns have chargers now.

The big issue I have making me want to wait a few months to pull the trigger is that the Y is supposed to see a major overhaul in early 2025 and they're pretty mum about what the specifics are going to be. If it's just cosmetic, who cares?

It wont be just cosmetic. If you can test drive a new 3 versus the Y. The suspension is substantially better. Reason the Y has been so cheap is they are for sure clearing them out before the refresh.

[Midtowner]

I'm also very interested in the Kia EV9.. Looking at Kalidy's website, they have these dealer discounts of $15K and higher.

I'm not sure whether that's smoke and mirrors. It likely is. But if you could pick up an EV9 for $45K, that'd be a hell of a deal.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I'm also very interested in the Kia EV9.. Looking at Kalidy's website, they have these dealer discounts of $15K and higher.

I'm not sure whether that's smoke and mirrors. It likely is. But if you could pick up an EV9 for $45K, that'd be a hell of a deal.

The lowest trim option? Looking through the Kia forums the best deals on those were 12k on the base trim. So around 47k. They take more off the higher trims. Up to 15k.

Most say harder to deal on the base since their are fewer of them. Makes sense.

Good year to buy and EV if the tax credit gets knocked out next year. If you and the car qualify of course.

[Jeepnokc]

I'm also very interested in the Kia EV9.. Looking at Kalidy's website, they have these dealer discounts of $15K and higher.

I'm not sure whether that's smoke and mirrors. It likely is. But if you could pick up an EV9 for $45K, that'd be a hell of a deal.

I was just looking at kias for another company car. Kalidy was the cheapest until you came to the mandatory add on "friends for life" fee of $1895. They went from being the cheapest to one of the most expensive.

From their website small print: "All New Vehicles will be assessed a fee of $1,895 for the exclusive Friends for Life package. This is not included in the online sales price. All incentives and rebates (conditional and non-conditional) are contained in the lowest advertised online sale price"

Search google for what Friends for Life gets you. If you find it...let me know because I sure couldn't see what it provided anywhere, Not sure I need friends like this.

[Midtowner]

Oh yikes. I read the reviews on those guys. Hell no.

Guess I'll be skipping that. Lots of these reviews are talking about them adding on all kinds of BS certifications and fees and upping the price another $10K after the 'dealer discount.'

The lady on the phone was VERY noncommittal as to whether the discount quoted on the website was an actual cash discount.

[Jeepnokc]

Oh yikes. I read the reviews on those guys. Hell no.

Guess I'll be skipping that. Lots of these reviews are talking about them adding on all kinds of BS certifications and fees and upping the price another $10K after the 'dealer discount.'

The lady on the phone was VERY noncommittal as to whether the discount quoted on the website was an actual cash discount.

lol.....it was almost addictive. i looked when trying to figure out what friends for life means and I probably spent 20 minutes reading them they were so bad

[April in the Plaza]

Might be a little EV boom across the country over the next few months. I don’t pretend to know exactly what might happen, but I won’t be surprised if some of the tax credits are scaled back or scrapped, to the extent that is possible.

[PhiAlpha]

Might be a little EV boom across the country over the next few months. I don’t pretend to know exactly what might happen, but I won’t be surprised if some of the tax credits are scaled back or scrapped, to the extent that is possible.

The alternative vehicle tax credit has been in place for years through multiple administrations so I doubt that is going anywhere. Not sure what other tax breaks have been added recently but I don’t think the individual tax credits will change much unless Biden specifically added a credit over the last four years. I do think some government incentives for automakers may be rolled back (which would likely increase electric vehicle costs). I would be willing to bet that any executive orders at the federal level requiring that a certain percentage of vehicles be electric by a future date or seen as putting ICE vehicles at a competitive disadvantage will be scrapped entirely and fairly quickly.

[OKCRealtor]

I read this a couple days ago regarding this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...it-2024-11-14/

[Stealth_RN]

I bought a model Y early this year and absolutely love it. Installed a charger at home. Have gone to Dallas and Kansas City with no charging issues.
Great car so far. 16k miles already.

[Rover]

I read this a couple days ago regarding this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...it-2024-11-14/

Most believe this would greatly assist Tesla at this time. However, I think it accelerates the efforts of the bigger automakers to get more efficient and get higher volumes. This act and tariffs on foreign cars serves up a multi billion bonus for Musk.

[Pete]

BYD is about to pass Ford as the 8th biggest global automaker; they are completely on fire with a ton of good, affordable vehicles and did all this in a decade.

Tariffs on Chinese cars will only repeat what happened in the 70s with the Japanese: provide short-term protection to American car companies while they fall further and further behind, until the foreign-made cars find a way into our market and completely pulverize everyone.

Cars are just crazy expensive these days and anyone who can build a good product for much less is going to dominate.

[FighttheGoodFight]

BYD is about to pass Ford as the 8th biggest global automaker; they are completely on fire with a ton of good, affordable vehicles and did all this in a decade.

Tariffs on Chinese cars will only repeat what happened in the 70s with the Japanese: provide short-term protection to American car companies while they fall further and further behind, until the foreign-made cars find a way into our market and completely pulverize everyone.

Cars are just crazy expensive these days and anyone who can build a good product for much less is going to dominate.

Yes if we had the Chinese EVs in our market they would dominate. They are just so subsided and have really neat features along with looks. I don't forsee that happening with whoever is in charge.

[Pete]

Yes if we had the Chinese EVs in our market they would dominate. They are just so subsided and have really neat features along with looks. I don't forsee that happening with whoever is in charge.

BYD is in the process of setting up a Mexican plant which would be a work-around for any tariff.

The U.S. is already flooded with Chinese-made products. Almost everything in big box retailers and on Amazon comes from China.

[bison34]

BYD is in the process of setting up a Mexican plant which would be a work-around for any tariff.

The U.S. is already flooded with Chinese-made products. Almost everything in big box retailers and on Amazon comes from China.

Are there any issues with them being able to be driven in America? I know that is you buy a foreign version of a car sold in America, it takes a physics degree to get it to be able to be legal in America. Just not sure if these cars that are so cheap are built to the standards required to be driven in America (legally).

[Midtowner]

lol.....it was almost addictive. i looked when trying to figure out what friends for life means and I probably spent 20 minutes reading them they were so bad

I did talk to a sales rep. He said the prices on the website were actually lease prices.

Who in the hell goes on a website looking at a price of a vehicle and thinks they're seeing the lease price?

Still, they did eventually quote me an amount on an EV9 pretty far below list, but about $10K higher than on the website.

They really lost me when a salesperson called and I rejected the call because I was in the middle of something at work and they dialed back immediately. Block.

And they are still calling me 2 weeks later from different numbers. Take the hint.

I ended up doing a Tesla Y. Things came together and I really couldn't wait until the Juniper came out.

I'm very happy with it so far. The self driving demo is pretty cool. I think I'll probably pony up for it when the demo period is over. It's nuts though, the $8K 'purchase' of it is non-transferrable, but they run specials where it is transferrable from time to time. You can also buy it for $99/month, which I'd have to dri ve the same car for 80 months to catch up to the 8K... and then with all of the M&A probably coming in the EV world, who can even say that they won't just spin off their FSD obligation at some point in the future if you drop the money?

The "summon" feature is a lot of fun, though it kind of aborts at akward times. It's really not ready for primetime, but it's still fun.

The car is fast. My previous vehicle was a 6 cylinder BMW which I thought was decently fast. I was wrong. The Y has got some speed. As far as range and recharging, I have a case going in Guymon right now and that's really the only trip that gives me a little concern. There are chargers up there, but they not Superchargers--they'll charge about 100 miles/hour, so that is no bueno, and according to the apps, they're inconsistent and have been down from time to time. They're also clear up in Hooker, which is probably about 1 extra hour out of the way (there and back), so an 8 hour roudn trip could become an 11 hour round trip. and you'd still be cutting it pretty close to get back to the supercharger in Wetherford.

[mugofbeer]

Nothing in Woodward?

[Plutonic Panda]

So after having driven a bunch of different electric cars, the only ones that I really like are the Audi Etron, the Ford Mustang Mach,E route, one with extended range, the lucid air deluxe, the Hummer EV, or the Porsche taycan. Given the fact that I can’t even remotely afford the down payment on one of those cars I won’t be getting an EV in my future. I just wish we would adopt a universal standard for charging. I’m just not sure if the infrastructure would even exist to be able to charge all of these cars at once because the demand is so high. If anyone reading this ever goes to California, I’m telling you look up in an Electrify America or EVgo fast charger and see for yourself how long the lines are. The only other ones I’ve driven are the Audi Etron SUV at the Los Angeles car show, the Tesla model three is a test drive, I rented a Ford Mustang MachE, and I drove my buddies Hummer. I was not impressed with the build quality. I do like the mini Cooper that the travelers has I went and looked at it. It seems like a really cool car. Maybe it’s just a learning curve on my part, but I was just having tons of trouble trying to find the right charger for my MachE. It doesn’t help that I live in an apartment right now that doesn’t have a charger so I have to rely on charging it somewhere else.

I think I’ll seriously consider an electric car once the range gets above 450 miles(which the lucid air does, but it’s extremely expensive and I can’t afford it) The margin of error on the range display becomes more accurate, and the charging infrastructure gets better. Or I get rich and I can afford to have both an electric car and a gas car depending on what I need for the day. And it doesn’t like like I’m gonna get rich anytime soon so. I now have a 2019 Subaru Forester, which is in the dealership and I have a loaner car which is a 2024 or a 2025. I’m not sure which Subaru Crosstrek wilderness edition. It’s a pretty cool car and I really like it. But I really would like to have an electric car just for daily city errands. I just don’t find it practical right now.

My ultimate dream at the moment is to have a lucid air in a Toyota Tacoma TRD pro. But that ain’t happening anytime soon.

[Midtowner]

Nothing in Woodward?

So no Superchargers. Superchargers are going to charge a Tesla at a MUCH faster rate than say a Chargepoint or Electrify America or Francis Energy charger. There are a lot of chargers and you can locate all kinds with the Plugshare app. I don't have my L2 installed yet and hadn't received my L1, so I spent 30 minutes putting on a few kW at a Chargepoint charger over at the Oncue at 15th and I-35 over the weekend.

It's not that there's nothing in some of these towns, its' that what they do have tends to be slow and there are sometimes a disturbing number of folks who will either say that the charge rates aren't as advertised, but MUCH slower, or that the chargers are just out commission or undermaintenance. And sometimes those chargers are the only thing for quite a few miles.

Until things get better, I'm borrowing my wife's ICE if I need to get physically to Guymon in the near future. I'm not at all worried about the other places I have cases in like Bartlesville and Altus. I occasionally have a case in SE Oklahoma, but they seem to have a bunch of 50kW chargers down there. Not the best, but they'll at least get your range boosted so you can get to a decent charger.

[OKCRealtor]

I'm guessing you got the performance all wheel drive?

I've still got 2.5-3 months waiting on my build to come in