Braum's

[SoonerDave]

You all should give up. You are not going to win this argument against person. You could have all the facts in the world and it wouldn't matter. You could have a study put out by a third party that says Braum's market share is increasing due to their increased grocery options and you would still be wrong in his eyes. Best just to move on and hope he doesn't follow.

Maybe we could start a decoy thread with some inflammatory title like "SECRET DQ PLANS TO KILL BRAUM'S UNVEILED!! DREW BRAUM TO JUMP OFF SUGAR CONE!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!" and get him to go over there, and then we all sneakily go somewhere else, start a thread with a boring title like "Plaid: Friend or Foe?" have a nice, normal discussion there

[OKVision4U]

You can shoot at the messenger it you like, but that does not change the fact that Braum's has some BIG issues. ....Bill & Drew know this and will have to address it (one way or the other).

Hello "Blizzard".

[OKVision4U]

Maybe we could start a decoy thread with some inflammatory title like "SECRET DQ PLANS TO KILL BRAUM'S UNVEILED!! DREW BRAUM TO JUMP OFF SUGAR CONE!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!" and get him to go over there, and then we all sneakily go somewhere else, start a thread with a boring title like "Plaid: Friend or Foe?" have a nice, normal discussion there

SD, You seem to be THE burger guy...Will Braum's build any new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros in the next 2 years? I'm thinking they won't.

[venture]

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well.

[warreng88]

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

And keep in mind this is the same person who claimed that the implementation of the original MAPS was seamless...

[Roger S]

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

And they had one in Edmond that is now a Raising Cane's..... Nothing like closing a location within a couple of years of it opening to make a show of force. I haven't seen anything about any Braum's stores closing in Edmond.

[venture]

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

I'm still trying to figure that out. I think it is pretty evident someone is just here to be a distraction and has been for months now in multiple threads. Though it is pretty crazy just how fanatic someone can be. Looking over the posts the whole thing seems to come down to the BLIZZARD! Big deal. I've had it before, it's nothing special. I'd rather get something from Custard Factory (formerly Rustys) here in Norman that is 10x better. However, some people like DQ, some like Braums, and some like Sonic...no idea why on that one. Is Braums going out of business because DQ is getting back into the metro area? No. No proof has been provided of that. What we do know is that Braums has been competing successfully in many locations in the region where DQ has a bigger foot print.

[OKVision4U]

SD, You seem to be THE burger guy...Will Braum's build any new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros in the next 2 years? I'm thinking they won't.

....????? any? ....what are the projections for OKC metro? I"m guessing ZERO.

SD, ??? Warreng ??? bbq ???? any new locations in OKC metro? Venture, you're good w/ maps, and new Braum's locations in the next 2 years for OKC metro?

[jn1780]

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

And a third location closed a year or two ago. It seems like Steak and Shake is the one having troubles getting market share. Probably has something to do with the fact that their concept is very similar to Freddy's which is more of a direct competitor than Braums is.

[OKVision4U]

I'm still trying to figure that out. I think it is pretty evident someone is just here to be a distraction and has been for months now in multiple threads. Though it is pretty crazy just how fanatic someone can be. Looking over the posts the whole thing seems to come down to the BLIZZARD! Big deal. I've had it before, it's nothing special. I'd rather get something from Custard Factory (formerly Rustys) here in Norman that is 10x better. However, some people like DQ, some like Braums, and some like Sonic...no idea why on that one. Is Braums going out of business because DQ is getting back into the metro area? No. No proof has been provided of that. What we do know is that Braums has been competing successfully in many locations in the region where DQ has a bigger foot print.

Venture, if my position is opposite of yours, then I feel VERY strong in my POV. That let's me know that I am not in the "typical okie" way of doing business. Doing the same thing over / over and expecting a different result.

This is a Corporate Wake Up call for Braum's. ...you may not have an understanding of what I'm saying, but that's ok. ...enjoy your shake.

[warreng88]

....????? any? ....what are the projections for OKC metro? I"m guessing ZERO.

SD, ??? Warreng ??? bbq ???? any new locations in OKC metro? Venture, you're good w/ maps, and new Braum's locations in the next 2 years for OKC metro?

I did reply to your post and you chose to ignore it:

http://www.okctalk.com/businesses-em...tml#post753080

[warreng88]

One thing I think a certain poster is leaving out is that Braum's is noteworthy for its vertical integration in which all the food products sold at Braum's are processed or manufactured directly by the company. Braum's owns its own feed mill, dairy herd, processing plant, bakery, stores and delivery trucks. It's also the only major ice cream maker to still milk its own cows. As for Sonic, S&S, Freddy's and DQ, can they say the same? That is how they are making so much money and not changing what they are doing. Do me a favor and have a Braum's burger and shortly after have the same burger from one of the others. You can tell the difference in the meat, bread, vegetables, etc.

[OKVision4U]

no warreng, I have said many times, that their business model of integration is both an asset & liability. It gets costly to have (the farms / the plants / distribution / fleet of trucks , etc ) that burden, it gets heavy.

...and I have said their products are very good, but they are forgotten by the consumer.

[kevinpate]

You know the worst thing about B's locations? The absolute worst? It's that if you listen close from their parking lot, from almost every B location in existence today, you can hear the trains blare their horns in the distance. Oh, the trains, the trains, the trains. They bring such pain to some and such joy to others.

Can we please focus this energy on something important and finally, finally, have an honest discussions about the sounds of trains?

[venture]

You know the worst thing about B's locations? The absolute worst? It's that if you listen close from their parking lot, from almost every B location in existence today, you can hear the trains blare their horns in the distance. Oh, the trains, the trains, the trains. They bring such pain to some and such joy to others.

Can we please focus this energy on something important and finally, finally, have an honest discussions about the sounds of trains?

Don't you freaking dare...we've had peace and quiet for like 6 months. Now we are going to get a 2014 edition of why trains still blow their horns. LOL

[ctchandler]

OKVision4U,
Please explain how Steak & Shake is here in force and doing well. Two stores in the metro, one in Midwest City and the other in far West OKC on S. W. 3rd. The Edmond store failed, so if that's "doing well", I'm at a loss for words. And I don't know if there were others, but their web page shows two in the metro area.
C. T.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well.

[SoonerDave]

Don't you freaking dare...we've had peace and quiet for like 6 months. Now we are going to get a 2014 edition of why trains still blow their horns. LOL

Plaid is our friend.

[ctchandler]

OKVision4U,
Will the DQ stores be company stores, or as in the past, franchises? If they are franchises, the corporate deep pockets have little meaning to a local mom and pop, or even a man like Charlie Dunn that owned many franchise stores years ago. Their success depends on their own management philosophy and their ability to survive the financial ups and downs associated with the food store industry.
C. T.

I see a map of a national chain DQ, that has some very deep pockets w/ a very large revenue base to operate from. ( this is the chess vs. checkers conversation.)

[warreng88]

no warreng, I have said many times, that their business model of integration is both an asset & liability. It gets costly to have (the farms / the plants / distribution / fleet of trucks , etc ) that burden, it gets heavy.

...and I have said their products are very good, but they are forgotten by the consumer.

How do you know they are forgotten by the consumer? Where are the figures to support that claim?

[Roger S]

How do you know they are forgotten by the consumer? Where are the figures to support that claim?

The leprechauns told them while they were riding a unicorn.

[kevinpate]

The leprechauns told them while they were riding a unicorn.

ahhh, so that's what the kids call it these days.

[warreng88]

So, since Vis seems so convinced that all Braum's are terrible and need to be updated, I decided to get the best proof I could. Urbanspoon...

Braum's has 52 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 82% approval rating. The low was 66, the high was 100

In comparison, Sonic has 79 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 50% approval rating. The low was 0 (a few of those) and the high was 100.

Dairy Queen is Moore has a 50% approval rating with 26 votes.

Freddy's has eight stores and an 85.88% approval rating. They are doing quite well and I wish them the best, just not my taste.

Steak N' Shake has two stores with a 62% approval rating.

[venture]

So, since Vis seems so convinced that all Braum's are terrible and need to be updated, I decided to get the best proof I could. Urbanspoon...

Braum's has 52 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 82% approval rating. The low was 66, the high was 100

In comparison, Sonic has 79 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 50% approval rating. The low was 0 (a few of those) and the high was 100.

Dairy Queen is Moore has a 50% approval rating with 26 votes.

Freddy's has eight stores and an 85.88% approval rating. They are doing quite well and I wish them the best, just not my taste.

Steak N' Shake has two stores with a 62% approval rating.

How dare you actually bring measurable figures and results to this discussion.

[Roger S]

How dare you actually bring measurable figures and results to this discussion.

No doubt! It's like bringing a bazooka to a pillow fight!

[SoonerDave]

How dare you actually bring measurable figures and results to this discussion.

Keep doing this and Drew Braum is going to be paying someone a nasty visit involving some spoiled ice cream and private sales figures.