Braum's

[David]

Just in this thread?

[Roger S]

Just in this thread?

Ok.... That actually made me laugh!

[OKVision4U]

Ok.... That actually made me laugh!

...it would not be nice if I posted ( data ) about a Private Company. And the "few" of you in the sandbox here, well, let's just say that is typical for many small minded Okie "gitter done" crowd. "Well, we dun it this way fer the last 30 years and I ain't gunna change now".

Braums can ignore their large customer service issues and (HOPE) they can continue. Hope doesn't make it change. Braum's corporate would have to INVEST capital and they will NOT do that. They haven't for the past 30 years.

[OKVision4U]

What are Braum's plans for the OKC metro area stores? ...any new locations?

[jn1780]

...it would not be nice if I posted ( data ) about a Private Company. And the "few" of you in the sandbox here, well, let's just say that is typical for many small minded Okie "gitter done" crowd. "Well, we dun it this way fer the last 30 years and I ain't gunna change now".

Braums can ignore their large customer service issues and (HOPE) they can continue. Hope doesn't make it change. Braum's corporate would have to INVEST capital and they will NOT do that. They haven't for the past 30 years.

In other words you don't know. You are crazy if you expect us to believe after several thread pages that you care about Braums feelings.

[Roger S]

What are Braum's plans for the OKC metro area stores? ...any new locations?

You are asking us? I thought you were the one with all the top secret Braum's information?

[warreng88]

OKC, Moore, Norman has 31 Braum's locations. I reached this number by googling Braum's and when the locations came up on Bing, I counted them page by page. Most, if not all of them, have been renovated in the past five years to include more grocery space and remodels of the outside. So, when someone says Braum's is not investing in their locations, they are either ignorant or they are mad that money is not being invested where they think it should be invested. By comparison, Sonic has 60 locations but some of them are franchised out. Freddy's has eight locations and they are all franchised out. There are only two Steak and Shake locations in the metro. I believe all Braum's locations are owned and run by the company (please correct me if I am wrong).

[OKVision4U]

In other words you don't know. You are crazy if you expect us to believe after several thread pages that you care about Braums feelings.

If I didn't care, I would just be the quite customer that leaves w/o saying anything.

It's not about Braum's "feelings", it's about YOU, the customer. They should re-invest back into their stores so YOU can have a better dining experience. But, Braum's is NOT that kind of company.

I have choices now. ... hello Blizzard. ...hello Steak & Shake ( their shakes are great!) ...hello Freddy's ( a very cool place w/ kids!).

[kevinpate]

Honestly, you alternate between sounding like you're angling for a gig and whizzing and moaning because your shake was too thin or something.
I'd tink about calling all hat, no cattle on ya at this point, but I'm really not that convinced about the hat either.

[jn1780]

If I didn't care, I would just be the quite customer that leaves w/o saying anything.

It's not about Braum's "feelings", it's about YOU, the customer. They should re-invest back into their stores so YOU can have a better dining experience. But, Braum's is NOT that kind of company.

I have choices now. ... hello Blizzard. ...hello Steak & Shake ( their shakes are great!) ...hello Freddy's ( a very cool place w/ kids!).

No, I was referring to this statement you made.

...it would not be nice if I posted ( data ) about a Private Company

So your right its not about "feelings". So why don't you post the financial data or just admit its just your opinion based on what you as one customer sees.

[OKVision4U]

Honestly, you alternate between sounding like you're angling for a gig and whizzing and moaning because your shake was too thin or something.
I'd tink about calling all hat, no cattle on ya at this point, but I'm really not that convinced about the hat either.

KP, stay focused now, I know some of you have a tendancy to "drift during class". It's not about me, it's about a local (moderate) size privately held corporation that has (279) stores in a 300 mile radius from the plant. This format has been a very successful approach for the past 30 years "with out" competition. Now that the big boys have moved in ( DQ ), what will Braum's do to keep their Profit Margins in place? ( and YES, I agree that the "Fresh Market" for Braum's is a big plus for them, but you need foot-traffic to make that work.) Braum's has many of their 279 stores in very poor (forgotten) locations.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well. Freddy's is thriving and building NEW stores in HIGH traffic areas. DQ is just getting started and they have the original "Blizzard". So, what is the move for Braums? ...do they expand out past their 300 mile radius? ....do they build new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros?

This is a business strategy question that I place here, and Bill & Drew know this is their concern too. I'm interested in seeing HOW they respond. ...or if they respond at all.

[kevinpate]

I am focused. B has had competition the entire time. You sound off as though they were the only burger or cone to be had and then boom, they got surprised and their hats handed to them.
Deflect all you want, but you continue to sound as though there is something real personal in this for you.

B seems to be doing fine from all outward appearances, with or without your approval of their business model. I suspect they will continue to do so. But keep grasping at straws. Maybe you'll find a yummy milkshake at the end of one.

[venture]

I am focused. B has had competition the entire time. You sound off as though they were the only burger or cone to be had and then boom, they got surprised and their hats handed to them.
Deflect all you want, but you continue to sound as though there is something real personal in this for you.

B seems to be doing fine from all outward appearances, with or without your approval of their business model. I suspect they will continue to do so. But keep grasping at straws. Maybe you'll find a yummy milkshake at the end of one.

What? Braums and DQ have been competing for awhile now? Nah couldn't be.

It's kinda funny...and sad at the same time...to keep reading these rantings. Yes ignore is great, but the entertainment value is also good for a morning laugh. So I had a spare 20 seconds and was like, if the "big boys" just moved in and are now competing with Braums - I wonder what the market looks like where Braums is located in other areas. So I did a quick map of Braums (left) locations versus DQ (right) locations...



Yup...Braums has zero experience competing with DQ. Oh no...what will they do!

[OKVision4U]

I am focused. B has had competition the entire time. You sound off as though they were the only burger or cone to be had and then boom, they got surprised and their hats handed to them.
Deflect all you want, but you continue to sound as though there is something real personal in this for you.

B seems to be doing fine from all outward appearances, with or without your approval of their business model. I suspect they will continue to do so. But keep grasping at straws. Maybe you'll find a yummy milkshake at the end of one.

KP, now that's funny! ...but your history / memory of the market place is far behind your wit.

When did Steak & Shake get here? ( recently in the past few years) ...Freddy's? (recently, in the past few years) ...DQ ( the paint is not even dry yet.)

[Easy180]

KP, now that's funny! ...but your history / memory of the market place is far behind your wit.

When did Steak & Shake get here? ( recently in the past few years) ...Freddy's? (recently, in the past few years) ...DQ ( the paint is not even dry yet.)

When did most restaurant chains get here? Recently due to our Okie economy outperforming the national average

[warreng88]

The Freddy's on Penn has been there for over five years. I remember when it was built, I was working at a bank a mile away. I still went to the Braum's further south on May instead.

[Roger S]

KP, now that's funny! ...but your history / memory of the market place is far behind your wit.

When did Steak & Shake get here? ( recently in the past few years)

And Steak & Shake has already closed one of their locations..... I can't recall any Braum's locations being permanently closed recently.

[trousers]

I'd tink about calling all hat, no cattle on ya at this point, but I'm really not that convinced about the hat either.

All hat, no cattle. Very nice. I'm going to have to use that one.

[OKVision4U]

What? Braums and DQ have been competing for awhile now? Nah couldn't be.

It's kinda funny...and sad at the same time...to keep reading these rantings. Yes ignore is great, but the entertainment value is also good for a morning laugh. So I had a spare 20 seconds and was like, if the "big boys" just moved in and are now competing with Braums - I wonder what the market looks like where Braums is located in other areas. So I did a quick map of Braums (left) locations versus DQ (right) locations...



Yup...Braums has zero experience competing with DQ. Oh no...what will they do!

Venture, we can always rely on your reports..... Weather / Flight Schedules, and now a map of locations.

I see a map of a national chain DQ, that has some very deep pockets w/ a very large revenue base to operate from. ( this is the chess vs. checkers conversation.)

...and don't forget Freddy's new locations. ...and don't forget Steak & Shake new locations. Those (3) corporations must see something that you don't. They would not spend the capital if the return was NOT available. Don't overlook that.

[OKVision4U]

When did most restaurant chains get here? Recently due to our Okie economy outperforming the national average

Don't you mean our Oil & Gas economy? ...it we take that out of the equation, it gets a little thin.

[warreng88]

You all should give up. You are not going to win this argument against person. You could have all the facts in the world and it wouldn't matter. You could have a study put out by a third party that says Braum's market share is increasing due to their increased grocery options and you would still be wrong in his eyes. Best just to move on and hope he doesn't follow.

[Roger S]

You all should give up. You are not going to win this argument against person. You could have all the facts in the world and it wouldn't matter. You could have a study put out by a third party that says Braum's market share is increasing due to their increased grocery options and you would still be wrong in his eyes. Best just to move on and hope he doesn't follow.

Ehhh... Waving the red cape in front of the bull's face helps break up the monotony of the day.

[OKVision4U]

warreng, I did acknowledge the Fresh Market initiative they are running. see below.
KP, stay focused now, I know some of you have a tendancy to "drift during class". It's not about me, it's about a local (moderate) size privately held corporation that has (279) stores in a 300 mile radius from the plant. This format has been a very successful approach for the past 30 years "with out" competition. Now that the big boys have moved in ( DQ ), what will Braum's do to keep their Profit Margins in place? ( and YES, I agree that the "Fresh Market" for Braum's is a big plus for them, but you need foot-traffic to make that work.) Braum's has many of their 279 stores in very poor (forgotten) locations.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well. Freddy's is thriving and building NEW stores in HIGH traffic areas. DQ is just getting started and they have the original "Blizzard". So, what is the move for Braums? ...do they expand out past their 300 mile radius? ....do they build new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros?

This is a business strategy question that I place here, and Bill & Drew know this is their concern too. I'm interested in seeing HOW they respond. ...or if they respond at all.

Braum's is the "forgotten" brand though. ...their locations are "weak" ( not in the NEW high-volume districts). ...and if the truth were told, most of you would not even think of Braum's in a given week. I'm the one that brought this to the front by starting this thread. ...Braum's suffers from the relevance issue of consumers. ( less, the seniors group )

[Roger S]

Braum's is the "forgotten" brand though. ...their locations are "weak" ( not in the NEW high-volume districts).

Is their any chance your name is Cher Horowitz?

[OKVision4U]

Is their any chance your name is Cher Horowitz?

bbq eater, is your name Bubba?