2014 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion

[no1cub17]

Airlines typically negotiate huge discounts from the list price from what little I know. Yeah, seems F9 is moving more toward point-to-point a la Spirit. In that model definitely OKC is a bit small yet.

[bluedogok]

Frontier is now run by former Spirit management, that is why they are going down this road so to speak. I know they won't get my business anymore and that is all I have flown between Denver and Austin/OKC. Next month the trip to OKC will be on Southwest.

[BG918]

Frontier is now run by former Spirit management, that is why they are going down this road so to speak. I know they won't get my business anymore and that is all I have flown between Denver and Austin/OKC. Next month the trip to OKC will be on Southwest.

After April you won't even have the option. Frontier is ending all service to OKC from Denver leaving just Southwest and United likely causing fares on the route to increase.

[venture]

I know nothing about the airline industry other than it revolves around transporting people in an aluminum tube high up in the sky, but I would think if they were successful here they would stay. I can't understand what having a market that is doing well would do to hurt them or prevent them from being successful elsewhere.

They make money here, but they can make more flying from cities like Dallas, Houston, and the like. Why stay here and make $1 when you can go to those other cities and make $1.20?

Is the A320 a hundred million plus plane? I looked at the numbers for the Dreamliner and I was blown away.

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Frontier is now run by former Spirit management, that is why they are going down this road so to speak. I know they won't get my business anymore and that is all I have flown between Denver and Austin/OKC. Next month the trip to OKC will be on Southwest.

Actually they are just owned by the former Spirit ownership group (Indigo), their leadership is actually headed by Dave "they're coming to kill us" Seigel formerly of US Airways.

[blangtang]

What becomes of the Frontier gate once they pull out?

[catch22]

It will become an empty gate.

I am doubtful on Alaska entering a lease agreement on a gate for one turn flight per day.

It is cheaper to rent a gate for one flight on a daily basis instead of a lease.

If American adds more service...PHL DCA or MIA I could see them maybe wanting a 4th gate and Gate 2 would fit well into their operation. But other than that, it will probably sit empty.

[catch22]

Some silver lining in losing Frontier (some will say losing them is great news -- but just because it doesn't cater to your needs doesn't mean it doesn't to others), is the loss in capacity to the NW (240+ seats a day each way to DEN) will need to shift somewhere. Alaska is entering the market at a good time, the loss in capacity from F9 pulling out will help them command a premium to SEA and other PacNW destinations that Frontier is diluting the market to.

If it comes down to Alaska being successful to SEA or Frontier being successful to Denver, I'd take Alaska.

[no1cub17]

Would be nice if AS eventually increased SEA to 2x/day. I know, let's not get greedy just yet.

[BG918]

If it comes down to Alaska being successful to SEA or Frontier being successful to Denver, I'd take Alaska.

Not me. I fly DEN-OKC at least once a month and prices will go up with less frequent service especially since Southwest recently cut one of their daily flights.

[catch22]

Not me. I fly DEN-OKC at least once a month and prices will go up with less frequent service especially since Southwest recently cut one of their daily flights.

Southwest is still at 3x daily, which is the highest it has ever been and has been that frequency for several years now.

[BG918]

Southwest is still at 3x daily, which is the highest it has ever been and has been that frequency for several years now.

I could've sworn they used to be 4x before the Wright Amendment ended. Either way fares will probably be closer to what they are to TUL which without Frontier are usually about $50 more.

[damonsmuz]

I need some help from guys "in the know". My father in law has some guys in the oil field company that do a lot of traveling between MAF and OKC. How many people on avg fly between the 2 cities daily?

[catch22]

For some reason the DOT Consumer Air Fare Report website is not working for me; but going off of memory it's around 30-40 per day, so 15-20 each way.

[venture]

Catch pretty much nailed it...

This is based on Q1 2014 since the DOT is taking their time getting anything new for the year out.

Period	Market	Distance	Passengers	Average Fare	Lgest. Carrrier In Mkt.	Mkt. Shr. Lg. Car.	Avg. Fare Lg. Car.	Low Fare Carrier In Mkt.	Mkt. Shr. Low Fare Car.	Avg Fare LF Car.
2014Q1	Midland/Odessa, TX	356	32	$243.23	WN	74.0	$232.63	WN	74.0	$232.63

[catch22]

Just purchased a round trip ticket on Alaska on the inaugural OKC-SEA flight for July 1. Very good intro-fares, take advantage of them while they last.

$268 round trip after tax. Very good deal.

Alaska and Seattle are two big wins, I didn't want to miss being on the first flight!

[HOT ROD]

i wish Alaska would join Star Alliance. That would be good for Seattle and a counter to SkyTeam/Delta.

[OUman]

Just purchased a round trip ticket on Alaska on the inaugural OKC-SEA flight for July 1. Very good intro-fares, take advantage of them while they last.

$268 round trip after tax. Very good deal.

Alaska and Seattle are two big wins, I didn't want to miss being on the first flight!

Not a bad deal at all. It should be pretty cool, especially the first flight of a new airline to the market.

[HOT ROD]

get the water cannons ready.

[damonsmuz]

Was driving thru Lawton the other day and across from the airport saw a billboard that talked about "Fly Lawton" with a picture of an American Eagle ERJ-175 (or 190, I can never tell the difference).

I'm assuming the picture of that particular plane was a "wishful thinking" thing and that they aren't really getting an upgrade in planes there.

Right?

[catch22]

They have a 777 on the billboards around OKC advertising service to Charlotte despite it being a crj900. Marketing(PR) doesnt really pay attention to what aircraft is scheduled on the route, especially since its subject to change and updating billboards every time the equipment changed in the schedule would be costly.

[no1cub17]

i wish Alaska would join Star Alliance. That would be good for Seattle and a counter to SkyTeam/Delta.

As a oneworld loyalist, I'll respectfully disagree

[no1cub17]

I could've sworn they used to be 4x before the Wright Amendment ended. Either way fares will probably be closer to what they are to TUL which without Frontier are usually about $50 more.

But WN includes carry-ons and checked bags - which the new F9 doesn't - so that easily makes up for the $50 right there.

[damonsmuz]

Time to make a new thread 2015 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion...

[venture]

Time to make a new thread 2015 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion...

Yeah I will tomorrow. I haven't had time to get all the stats together just yet for the first post since this section isn't in the wiki format.

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