Biker shootout in Waco

[kelroy55]

I don't think a no colors policy would make a dent in the OKC Twin Peaks bike nights. I go often and almost never see colors. A couple of years ago there was one manager at the north location that was apparently pretty friendly with the Bandidos and Malvados and you saw a few of them fairly often in the store. He's gone and they have been since also. I saw a couple of Bandidos one night, not a bike night, last fall and haven't seen any since.

I used to go to the TP bike nights in OKC all the time too and it's sad they are going to shut them down.

[jerrywall]

I don't think a no colors policy would make a dent in the OKC Twin Peaks bike nights. I go often and almost never see colors. A couple of years ago there was one manager at the north location that was apparently pretty friendly with the Bandidos and Malvados and you saw a few of them fairly often in the store. He's gone and they have been since also. I saw a couple of Bandidos one night, not a bike night, last fall and haven't seen any since.

The trouble is places that implement no colors policies often don't differentiate between MCs, RCs, and social clubs. Basically no patches, 1, 2, or 3 piece. It can burn some bridges. I do agree with the OKC twin peaks. A sharp contrast though is the bike night at Fort Thunder.

[Urbanized]

It's funny, I never go to any of those events because I stand out like a turd in a punch bowl, with lots of looks of "what are YOU doing here" if I'm noticed at all. Very few people at those things know or care anything about the bike I ride. I mostly just go to BLHOT events, as it's a bunch of guys who collect old (and new) British and other assorted oddball bikes. We have very few turf battles, and almost no shootings whatsoever.

[mkjeeves]

We have very few turf battles, and almost no shootings whatsoever.

You're dressing all wrong for that.

https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...46&oe=55D124D2

My neighbor is a Triumph collector. Has a building full of them.

[Urbanized]

Yeah, I ride with the guys in that photo. Larry, the guy in the kilt, organizes most BLHOT rides, meetings, etc. The kilts always come out for special occasions. I'll pass, LOL.

[jerrywall]

It's funny, I never go to any of those events because I stand out like a turd in a punch bowl, with lots of looks of "what are YOU doing here" if I'm noticed at all. Very few people at those things know or care anything about the bike I ride. I mostly just go to BLHOT events, as it's a bunch of guys who collect old (and new) British and other assorted oddball bikes. We have very few turf battles, and almost no shootings whatsoever.

Heh... one of the pics on that facebook page was taken by my boss' wife.

[jerrywall]

Yeah, I ride with the guys in that photo. Larry, the guy in the kilt, organizes most BLHOT rides, meetings, etc. The kilts always come out for special occasions. I'll pass, LOL.

I own a couple of kilts. I'd never wear one to ride though.

[mkjeeves]

Speaking of turf wars and the topic....here's part of what's been going on leading up to the shootout.

The shootout in Waco that killed nine motorcycle gang members had its origins in violence that erupted in the weeks before Christmas, with a beating at a Toys for Tots event in Wise County and a murder in Fort Worth, according to law enforcement sources.

Waco Shootout Linked to North Texas Attacks | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

[Bill Robertson]

The trouble is places that implement no colors policies often don't differentiate between MCs, RCs, and social clubs. Basically no patches, 1, 2, or 3 piece. It can burn some bridges. I do agree with the OKC twin peaks. A sharp contrast though is the bike night at Fort Thunder.

True. Fort Thunder and some others it would kill.

[Bill Robertson]

Yeah, I ride with the guys in that photo. Larry, the guy in the kilt, organizes most BLHOT rides, meetings, etc. The kilts always come out for special occasions. I'll pass, LOL.

Please tell me if they ride with them they have something on underneath. LOL

[Urbanized]

I've never looked, and I'm a little afraid to ask.

[Just the facts]

I am having a hard time figuring out why people on OKCTalk have any interest in maintaining any kind of relationship with known criminal enterprises. This thread has been an eye-opener.

[Urbanized]

Hang on...who exactly is "maintaining (a) relationship with known criminal enterprises"?

[jerrywall]

Hang on...who exactly is "maintaining (a) relationship with known criminal enterprises"?

I'm wondering the same thing.

[Just the facts]

I might need to go back and read this whole thread again, but if I had a hobby that brought me into regular contact with drug traffickers, murderes, and various other criminal activities I would have to seriously consider adopting another hobby.

[Urbanized]

Omg.

[Just the facts]

Urbanized - when you see these 1%ers are you just crusing around town and see them because you know what to look for, or are you at some kind of motorcycle get together where both of you are in attendance?

[jerrywall]

I don't think anyone here has stated they come into regular contact with 1% folks. In fact, a big point I and others were trying to make early on is that most bikers/riders aren't part of or the same as these 1%er groups. That being said, I see them occasionally, when I'm at a bar for example (even a nicer one in Edmond) or just driving down the road. I don't believe riding myself significantly increased my exposure... just my awareness.

[Just the facts]

I don't think anyone here has stated they come into regular contact with 1% folks. That being said, I see them occasionally, when I'm at a bar (even a nicer one in Edmond) or just driving down the road.

Thanks. That clears it up for me. Reading through this as an outsider to the entire motorcycle scene I got the impression it was much more regular contact than it is in reality.

Let me add two things and then I will bow out. First, there seems to be this belief that all because someone was in the Marines (or military in general), that they are automatically some lovable WWII grandpa type. There are a lot of POS in the military. Second, just because someone volunteers at Toys for Tots doesn't make them a good person. Al Capone was generous as well.

[Urbanized]

Urbanized - when you see these 1%ers are you just crusing around town and see them because you know what to look for, or are you at some kind of motorcycle get together where both of you are in attendance?

Most of the events I go to don't in any way attract one percenters. First of all, They almost without exception ride American bikes, and specifically cruisers, which I'm not that interested in. They are uninterested in the type of motorcycle I ride too. I do see them on the road, and know just enough about who's who to recognize them and generally give them a wide berth. I'd rather not offend someone, or even be on their radar. The same is true when I'm driving a car.

About the only time I have been around them at all is at large motorcycle swap meets and shows, where they are still a tiny minority of attendees, probably not much different than the percentage of scofflaws vs regular folks who attend custom car shows or the state fair. I've recognized gang members at Thunder and college football games; should I stop going to those too?

[Just the facts]

Thanks Urbanized. Your comment along with jerrywall's cleared it up. You can keep going to Thunder games.

[Roger S]

Thanks Urbanized. Your comment along with jerrywall's cleared it up. You can keep going to Thunder games.

Whew! ..... Thought I was going to have to stop shooting league pool in dark, smoke filled, bars based on the rational you gave above.

[Bill Robertson]

There is also the fact that outside of colors they look like everyone else. I guarantee that everyone that goes out anywhere has been very close to some 1%ers. They don't always wear their colors and they shop, eat and drink like everyone else.

[Mel]

But the hard core give of a vibe, or at least they do to me. I am one of those paranoids they scope a place out when I walk in and am pretty insistent about having my back against a wall and away from entry doors and windows.

[Mel]

And, FYI.... those who know me know that I rode a motorcycle for many years. Got my first one at 14 because I could get a motorcycle license and a job. Gave up riding when I got married because my wife had zero interest in riding one. Yes, I often wore leather for the reasons previously mentioned. Plus, I looked pretty good in leather with my 80's mullet! Think an Albino Fonzi!!!

Thanks to the Albino Fonzi reference and watching Izombie last night I had an interesting character show up in my dreams. Zombie Fonzi.