Tribe Casinos Regulate Themselves

[Roadhawg]

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Not sure how much he invested. The guy makes about 500,000 a year with his ignorance. How are you doing with yours?

Guess it's you then since your friend seems to be winning. Maybe you just suck at gambling and are looking for an excuse.

[Roadhawg]

The answer is yes they are but act as if they are not. I am sure that they enjoy the benefits of being Americans but don't seem to want to live as Americans or follow our laws in America.

Weren’t their 'laws' here first and we didn't follow them?

[WATCHER]

[QUOTE=Roadhawg;540019]

Guess it's you then since your friend seems to be winning. Maybe you just suck at gambling and are looking for an excuse.

I guess you didn't get the point of me bringing up my friend. Year before last he made 80,000. Last year 40,000 and so far this year only 5000. Do I need to explain my point?

[WATCHER]

Weren’t their 'laws' here first and we didn't follow them?

From what I understand they were not tame before we tamed them so I assume they had no laws.

[WATCHER]

Is he a Congressman in this state? So you haven't contact the Gaming Authority or any state government about your complaints but choose to post endless whines on here?

I am not whining son just stating my opinion like you.

[WATCHER]

He had to make his casino trip to "observe"..... and to blow some smoke at people (in more ways than one)

I did stop by Riverwind to see how many people were playing the place was dead and so were the machines. I also stopped for lunch at the new Chey's Mexican joint. It is their grand opening. Good food and good service. I only blow smoke at people who act like idiots and make a big deal out of smoking. If more people would do the same they wouldn't act like idiots.

[Larry OKC]

Soon the state will have everything to say about it because the courts are getting involved with the low payouts. State regulation is coming to Indian Country. Oklahoman's have figured out the scheme and changes are coming soon. As far as everyone losing when they play in a casino? I have a friend that turned in 80,000 dollars to the IRS in gambling winnings two years ago. Last year he turned in 40,000 dollars and so far this years he has only won around 5000 dollars. Can you see the trend son?

Depends on which court and if they have jurisdiction. Don't forget as sovereign nation status, tribes have their own governments, including governors, judiciary, legislators etc.

How much did he put in of his own money? Is that amount in gross winnings or net? Sure someone can be in the right place at the right time and win big. Most gamblers I know (myself included) will talk about the jackpot they hit but rarely tell you about the 100s or 1,000s of dollars they put into the machine of their own money to get that jackpot. There are even professional gamblers out there that really do make a living at such things. They may exist, but I have never heard of a professional slot machine player. Poker, video poker etc, but not slots. But over the lifetime, things are going to eventually turn to where the house wins. In virtually every casino game, the odds are in the houses's favor. Some games have higher percentages than others but the fact remains, you may win 1 year, 2 years or even more, but eventually you are going to lose. To quote you: "can you see the trend?"

[Larry OKC]

Well rounded?? I retired at the young age of fifty just before Bush was elected and ruined our economy. I made enough money from the Clinton economy to have enough money to kick back for the rest of my life. I call that well rounded. As far as this so called obsession. When I see a scam I feel the need to bring it out in the open. If everyone in this country would do that we would have these scams being ran on our citizens. I am thinking that you might be a member of one of these tribes because you seem to have an obsession with protecting this scam. Am I close???

Well, now you can blame both parties for your unhappiness, since Democrat Henry is the Governor responsible for the mess you see in the casinos.

[Larry OKC]

So it is you with the obsession and not me. When this gaming compact was written it seems that the people with The State of Oklahoma were novices in the gambling industry because they didn't include a fairness doctrine in the payout percentages which is very important to the people who play the games. In fact that is probably the most important issue for the players.

What is fair? You do realize that even if a casino has a payback of 75% or 98%, you are still going to lose your money over the long run...it is just a matter of time

[Roadhawg]

From what I understand they were not tame before we tamed them so I assume they had no laws.

You're understanding is not only incorrect but asinine.

[WATCHER]

Depends on which court and if they have jurisdiction. Don't forget as sovereign nation status, tribes have their own governments, including governors, judiciary, legislators etc.

How much did he put in of his own money? Is that amount in gross winnings or net? Sure someone can be in the right place at the right time and win big. Most gamblers I know (myself included) will talk about the jackpot they hit but rarely tell you about the 100s or 1,000s of dollars they put into the machine of their own money to get that jackpot. There are even professional gamblers out there that really do make a living at such things. They may exist, but I have never heard of a professional slot machine player. Poker, video poker etc, but not slots. But over the lifetime, things are going to eventually turn to where the house wins. In virtually every casino game, the odds are in the houses's favor. Some games have higher percentages than others but the fact remains, you may win 1 year, 2 years or even more, but eventually you are going to lose. To quote you: "can you see the trend?"

The trend is that the payout percentages have changed in the last year. They have been set so low that nobody is winning anything. The good part of it is that attendance is very low these days. At Newcastle and at Riverwind their are more employees than players.

[Larry OKC]

Where is your proof that payout percentages have been changed? You may have answered this in the other thread and I missed it, but please give a link or other proof by any respectable source that says that casinos have the ability to change payouts by a click of the mouse or other back room slight of hand. EVERY report, article, story etc that I have seen ALL say the same thing. Percentages are set at the factory and they can only be set at the factory by either replacing a chip or the entire mother board.

[Roadhawg]

The trend is that the payout percentages have changed in the last year. They have been set so low that nobody is winning anything. The good part of it is that attendance is very low these days. At Newcastle and at Riverwind their are more employees than players.

Do you have any statistical proof of this?

[WATCHER]

You're understanding is not only incorrect but asinine.

My understanding is that you are nothing but a troll with nothing to add to the forum. Not sure why you post here. Back in the old days they thought of them as savages because they acted like savages. They have sure came a long ways from those days but I don't think that they had any so called laws before we rounded them up and put them on reservations. These days they seem to be civilized.

[Larry OKC]

And what exactly are you adding to the forum? It is nothing but the same regurgitated accusations with no proof to back it up?

[Roadhawg]

My understanding is that you are nothing but a troll with nothing to add to the forum. Not sure why you post here. Back in the old days they thought of them as savages because they acted like savages. They have sure came a long ways from those days but I don't think that they had any so called laws before we rounded them up and put them on reservations. These days they seem to be civilized.

Did it ever occur to you the American Indian acted that way because the white man was killing all their food, taking their land and then killing them?

[Roadhawg]

Time to lock this thread too.... it's getting ignorant, well more ignorant that what it was.

[WATCHER]

Do you have any statistical proof of this?

The only way you can prove it is from other players because the payouts are a secret because of ignorant Oklahoma Law Makers and their lack of knowledge in the casino business. They trusted the Indian Tribes to regulate themselves. I would bet that Oklahoma Law Makers would also allow the fox to guard the hen house and wonder why they didn't have any chickens.

[Roadhawg]

[WATCHER]

Time to lock this thread too.... it's getting ignorant, well more ignorant that what it was.

May as well keep it up. But a thread like this might work better in the political discussions. Are you in control of the threads son?

[WATCHER]

I am not sure why they allow trolls like you to post on forums. You add nothing. Is their a place to complain about your trolling?


Forget it. I found it. Thanks anyway.

[Roadhawg]

I am not sure why they allow trolls like you to post on forums. You add nothing. Is their a place to complain about your trolling?

Just send Pete or mmm a message is all you have to do. But be aware they are both Native Americans so include your savages comments.

[WATCHER]

And what exactly are you adding to the forum? It is nothing but the same regurgitated accusations with no proof to back it up?

Sorry my opinion bothers you so much. I am sure there are other forums you would like better.

[WATCHER]

Just send Pete or mmm a message is all you have to do. But be aware they are both Native Americans so include your savages comments.

Native Americans should also be concerned about how people feel about these casinos. From what I understand none of the money from these casinos is reaching the poor Native Americans in the state. That is another concern about fairness. If people think that Native Americans are cheaters it hurts the reputation of all Native Americans.

[Just the facts]

Quick question, are decedents of indigenous peoples US Citizens now?

The answer is yes they are but act as if they are not. I am sure that they enjoy the benefits of being Americans but don't seem to want to live as Americans or follow our laws in America.

How long does a person's ancestors have to live here before the founding of the USA to be conidered indigenous? My family came to America in the 1650s. Is that soon enough?