Calvary Baptist Church

[Pete]

The new owners just submitted an application for design review for renovations.

Install storm windows; Erect new entry canopy Construct new sidewalks at SE corner of bldg Construct new parking lot @ east of property

[ChaseDweller]

I saw workers there last friday scraping paint on the window frames. It appears the reno has begun.

[wsucougz]

A few improvements:

http://www.okc.gov/planning/hp/newapps/12-00141.pdf

[Pete]

Thanks for that.

Here are some of the renderings and site plans. Looks like the main entrance will now be on the east side facing the east parking lot but it also looks like they'll keep the historical west entrance.

[LakeEffect]

Has this gone up for review yet Pete? If not, when does it? I'd like to protest the parking lot. It would set a horrible precedent for the neighborhood.

It'll probably be on the HP agenda next week and then maybe on the downtown design agenda in late October.

HP: The next regularly scheduled meeting for the Historic Preservation Commission is Wednesday, October 3, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. at the Municipal Building, City Council Chamber.

Downtown: The next regular Committee meeting is Thursday, October 18, 2012. Council Chambers, City Hall, 200 North Walker Ave., Third Floor - 9:30 a.m.

UPDATE: Not sure if the Downtown code requires HP and Downtown review or just HP. It's a little fuzzy when it comes to the overlay zoning and interaction with design review base zoning (HL over the DTD-1/2).

[LakeEffect]

Has this gone up for review yet Pete? If not, when does it? I'd like to protest the parking lot. It would set a horrible precedent for the neighborhood.

You can't protest the existence of the parking lot generally, only its appearance and interaction with the street. While parking is NOT required, it's certainly not NOT allowed. Not saying I agree with that... just the code at this point in time.

[Pete]

Has this gone up for review yet Pete? If not, when does it? I'd like to protest the parking lot. It would set a horrible precedent for the neighborhood.

No.

This requires board approval of the Historic Preservation Commission:

The next regularly scheduled meeting for the Historic Preservation Commission is Wednesday, October 3, 2012 at 2:00 p.m. at the Municipal Building, City Council Chamber.

[catch22]

Has this gone up for review yet Pete? If not, when does it? I'd like to protest the parking lot. It would set a horrible precedent for the neighborhood.

I agree. With the recent momentum of the neighborhood, the last thing we need is to approve surface parking. And with other developments set to occur soon (hopefully) and will be presenting plans before we know it, we do not need a history of approving more surface parking in this area.

[catch22]

I am confused. It sounds like you are contradicting yourself. It is allowed or it isn't. Are they seeking a variance to install one?

He's saying parking isn't required, but it's not against the ordinance code either. And the only thin you can protest is the overall appearance of the parking lot. I think the double negative threw you off (not NOT)

[Pete]

Even though a parking lot might be allowable, it's still worthwhile to meet with the owner/developer and/or speak with his representatives at this meeting.

It would also be helpful it this was expressed as a concern of the neighborhood (i.e. recruit others with the same concern) rather than just one person.

[wschnitt]

To me it looks like the entrance is on the SE corner facing primarily the sidewalk. With this lot and the one proposed by the Clark Building owner Waters, that would make 2 large Parking lots in Deep Deuce.

[betts]

It would be nice if they would start mowing. The fact that they don't even care enough to keep it maintained yet is concerning. There are stick tights everywhere that are extremely painful for dogs.

[betts]

The surface parking wouldn't bother me so much if I knew that something was going to be done with the land to the north. Right now it's a parking lot and if it were developed, it would make that area look dense enough that the other parking would be minimized.

[LakeEffect]

He's saying parking isn't required, but it's not against the ordinance code either. And the only thin you can protest is the overall appearance of the parking lot. I think the double negative threw you off (not NOT)

Yep. I like to use double negatives sometimes... but that may be more fun for me than others.

[BoulderSooner]

Has this gone up for review yet Pete? If not, when does it? I'd like to protest the parking lot. It would set a horrible precedent for the neighborhood.

it is going to be an office of course they need parking ...

this is not a big lots .. and is reasonable for the area

[betts]

I agree. Offices have visitors and employees. As much as it would be nice to say everyone can ride public transit or walk, it's not currently an option. And, there is certainly not enough reliable onstreet parking to eschew a parking lot. But, it would be nice to see the empty land to the north developed. Were it too planned as surface parking, then I would have an objection.

[betts]

You would know better than I Sid. I'm usually only in Deep Deuce in the evening, when the streets are completely parked up.

[BoulderSooner]

I'll post pictures soon. The number of spaces in this lot are readily available on the street all day. I took several pictures yesterday and kept an eye on the street. There were lots of parking available.

this is okc .. if you are going to invest in an office you are going to want your own parking ... this also will have a little event space .. the parking is reasonable

[Pete]

Did the church congregants park in the empty lot to the north?

[BoulderSooner]

It is 20 spaces. Hardly a major parking lot. Which means, if there are far more than 20 spaces available on the street, why have it? Please, don't say "this is OKC". That's about the worst reason in the world to approve a parking lot. In fact, I think it is the VERY worst reason.

how about they are allowed to have a parking lot by right ...... you know land and zoning rights ..

[BoulderSooner]

I thought we were having a development discussion, not a political one. I'm not interested in debating property rights. Restricting the installation of a surface parking lot in a residential neighborhood has slightly more than a gazillion precedents.

plenty of places in deep deuce have parking lots .... it would not be anything new ..

[Martin]

if plenty of places in deep deuce have parking lots, why does the area need another one? -M

[BoulderSooner]

if plenty of places in deep deuce have parking lots, why does the area need another one? -M

because none of them are attached to this office building on on this persons property

[Martin]

if there is plenty of parking, though, why is it important to have it directly attached to this building? -M

[BoulderSooner]

if there is plenty of parking, though, why is it important to have it directly attached to this building? -M

a there is not plenty of parking at all times during the day .... and B when it is 110 or 20 outside .. i would not want to walk 2 block to my car .. and if they ever plan to lease the office space this will be a big consideration ..