TCU Invited to Big 12 - Expected to Accept

[jstaylor62]

With TCU in the conference, TexASS will have to play them now. No more De Loss Dodging TCU! TexASS hates playing other Texas schools. The Texas players in other Texas schools always get motivated to play TexASS becuase TexASS did not recruit them.

[MDot]

Did I miss seeing some invite to the SEC prom arrive in the mail?

No, no you did not my sir.

[dankrutka]

Big XII will be on par with the Big East especially if Mizzou leaves...Pretty sad to see it crumble and TCU, BYU and Louisville frankly aren't very exciting additions

Wrong. The weakened Big 12 is still lightyears ahead of the Big East when it was at it's strongest. The Big East is in way worse shape than the Big 12 these days.
I font like that the Big 12 is weakened, but if you check the rankings it is still a top 2-4 conference.

[Roadhawg]

Did I miss seeing some invite to the SEC prom arrive in the mail?

Nope and so far I don't think Missouri has got one yet either. Wouldn't that be a blow to their ego if the SEC turned them down.

[BrettM2]

Nope and so far I don't think Missouri has got one yet either. Wouldn't that be a blow to their ego if the SEC turned them down.

Looking that way. Apparently they have the support of the majority of SEC presidents, but not the nine needed. Alabama is opposed... I'm sure that will carry some weight too.

[venture]

Wrong. The weakened Big 12 is still lightyears ahead of the Big East when it was at it's strongest. The Big East is in way worse shape than the Big 12 these days.
I font like that the Big 12 is weakened, but if you check the rankings it is still a top 2-4 conference.

I believe the Big 12 has the best win/loss record right now out of all conferences and we have 5 teams in the Top 25. Not too shabby. Losing A&M for TCU is pretty much a like replacement when it comes to a team in the Top 25 and their annual performance. Well I take that back...TCU actually has done really well recently. However, I would expect them to get knocked down a peg as they face better Big 12 teams. Of course that will also help their recruiting.

[MDot]

Nope and so far I don't think Missouri has got one yet either. Wouldn't that be a blow to their ego if the SEC turned them down.

Turned down by the Big 10 then the SEC in a span of 2 years? If that don't give them an ego check then nothing will.

[dave1983]

If Missouri ends up going to the SEC, I see this as the future of the Big XII Conference.

North Division

• Boise State
• Brigham Young
• Air Force
• Kansas
• Kansas State
• Iowa State

South Division

• Oklahoma
• Oklahoma State
• Texas Christian
• Texas Tech
• Texas
• Baylor

[Easy180]

That is one TERRIBLE north division

[dave1983]

That is one TERRIBLE north division

Alright, let's see your image of the North and South.

[MDot]

Alright, let's see your image of the North and South.

I think he means the North Division would suck record wise.

[venture]

Alright, let's see your image of the North and South.

Don't let it get to you. Many on here are just unhappy with the situation that would rather call every scenario terrible and provide no version of their own instead of facing reality that OU is staying in the Big 12. We need to make the best of it when it comes to this situation.

What do we have to play with? I think it depends on the Big East and if they fall apart. That 22-27 month (whatever it is) notification period is painful. SEC is going to 14 teams...Big 10 and PAC 12 will eventually go that way too I have a feeling. Big 12 needs to just get it done.

The mentioned teams are BYU, Cincy, Louisville, and West Virginia. I think WVU is going to be too far east. Out of those, I like Cincinnati the best. That only gets us to 11 though. Air Force would be another to add in to get the Colorado market back and service schools pull in viewers. So that's 12. Boise State could be an option. They want in a BCS conference, and have been in the Top 10 since 2008 now. It will suck a bit for schools to travel to, but we have to look at schools that are consistent performers to get BCS slots - especially if they increasing the number of AQ conference schools that can go.

So who gets #14. BYU is an option with a large viewing audience. Colorado State would help geographically, but they are relatively weak when it comes to football performance. Notre Dame isn't going to budge and the Big 12 would probably be down their list of choices. Houston is doing well, but enough Texas schools. Memphis is horrible in football but good in basketball. Southern Miss isn't bad in football, but not sure if they really bring much compared to the others.

We aren't going to land the dream options...Arkansas, Iowa, etc. So it comes down to putting together the best conference with what we have available.

[Easy180]

I think he means the North Division would suck record wise.

Yep. Love me some OU football but my life definitely does not revolve around it...Already accepted the Big XII will now be on par with the Big East and will hurt for respect from here on

[betts]

Luckily, we'll be above the Big East, and maybe the ACC. But they've got basketball as their big sport, so it's really not a that big of a deal to be a bit better than the ACC. I think taking Cincinnati is a HUGE mistake, unless we're doing it for the basketball. The ACC has three small schools - Miami, Duke and Wake Forest. There's not a school we can invite that has the trophies in their case that Miami or Duke have. We're going to have to take anyone who was hopeful that they might have recently played well enough to get some media attention, but we cannot come up with a school even close to Nebraska for history and tradition. We can't come up with a school with close to the following A&M has, unless we can snag BYU. Missouri and Colorado, while not the long-term powerhouses of a school like Nebraska, still are the primary school in states with more population than Oklahoma. All we can do is make the best of a bad situation, and hope we can pull the new schools up, rather than them pulling us down. I think it's easy to say, "Oh, we'll pull them up." I'm not so sure. Our biggest problem is the size and perception of our state. A few bad years and the media will forget all about us. And we will have a few bad years. It's the natural cycle of things. The only good news is that we can still recruit in the state of Texas. I'm accepting what has happened, but that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend it's a good thing.

[venture]

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs....56338/32601781

Air Force has declined an initial approach by the Big 12. They are focused on joining the Big East. Their AD did make some very valid points...

"We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we're not a good fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics make sense, but the recruiting makes no sense for us. I can't recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State," Mueh explained.

"That's why I turned down the Big 12. I can't do that to my kids, because they'll get beat up. I'd love the extra $12 million or whatever it would be per year from the TV money. And I know how I'd spend the money. I'd build a new soccer stadium, and I'd build a new baseball facility, all in one year. But I can't do that."

[betts]

That's probably a realistic approach. Cincinnati is a poor fit for the same reason.

[Just the facts]

Based on that quote it will now be almost impossible for the Big East to extend an invite to Air Force. That was essentially kicking the Big Easy (I mean the Big East) where it hurts.

[ljbab728]

With TCU in the conference, TexASS will have to play them now. No more De Loss Dodging TCU! TexASS hates playing other Texas schools. The Texas players in other Texas schools always get motivated to play TexASS becuase TexASS did not recruit them.

Not true. Texas played TCU in 2007 and regularly plays other Texas schools in out-of-conference games.

[dankrutka]

Yep. Love me some OU football but my life definitely does not revolve around it...Already accepted the Big XII will now be on par with the Big East and will hurt for respect from here on

Anyone that compares the Big 12 with the Big East loses all credibility on the topic. Utterly ridiculous. The weakened Big 12 absolutely destroys the Big East as a football conference. Lol.

[venture]

So looking at what is being reported and stuff, the options for the Big 12 don't look horrible...but it is the best we have.

Next top rumored pic: Louisville Cardinals.

CUSA 1996 to 2004, Big East since. Big negative against this is that they will be tied to the long notification period unless the Big East releases them early or that conference folds.

Conference Titles: 2006 (Big East), 2004, 2001, 2000 (CUSA), 1972, and 1979 (Missouri Valley).
Bowl History: They have a 7-7-1 bowl record. Since 1998 they have gone to a bowl every year (except for 2007 through 2009) including the 2007 Orange Bowl which they won over Wake Forest. They have also gone to the Gator once, Liberty 4 times, GMAC twice, Humanitarian once, Motor City once, Independence once, Pasadena once, and Sun once. There is also a trip to the Fiesta Bowl in 1990 (game was in Jan 91) where they won against Alabama 34-7.

So there is some post season tradition there. Their rivalries are with Kentucky, WVU, and Cincy.

They are still undergoing a lot of rebuilding since former Tulsa coach Steve Kragthrope screwed them up - replacing Bobby Petrino who went to the Atlanta Falcons after the 2006 bowl season.

So who knows I'm them. They leave a lot to be desired still, but don't seem to be any worse than the middle of the pack Big 12 teams we have now. Academically they are pretty well mixed in with the existing bunch...looking at the US News rankings.

Media market isn't the biggest, but it gets us into the Ohio Valley which is more than say...Lubbock. They have around 55,000 average attendance, so that isn't too bad either.

So there is some in depth points on them. The others on the watch list, recapping here, appear to be West Virginia, Boise State, and BYU as the more likely and favorable additions. Other options include Cincinnati, Air Force, Colorado State, and Houston. Wild cards either as just "out of no where" picks or "omg please" options that likely wonder happen would be...Notre Dame, Memphis, Southern Miss, Arizona, Arizona State, Iowa and Arkansas.

I'm sure we'll get a clearer picture before the month is done - if Missouri makes up their mind. My opinion is that Big 12 needs to make the move to the Big 14 now and get ahead of the curve a bit. Also it gets us back to divisions and a championship game (more money).

North Division - Missouri, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Louisville, Boise State, and West Virginia.
South Division - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, and the short horns.

[MDot]

It would be awesome if we could get Boise State IMO. Boise State and West Virginia are the 2 teams that I'd really like to see somehow get in the Big XII.

[venture]

It would be awesome if we could get Boise State IMO. Boise State and West Virginia are the 2 teams that I'd really like to see somehow get in the Big XII.

Yeah, they would both be fairly strong football programs to help maintain the BCS AQ status (not that it is in doubt). The biggest issue I see though is the yearly trek between Morgantown and Boise. So maybe move BSU or WVU into the South and bump OSU to the North. Yeah it would screw Bedlam up, but could make for an interesting championship game if both OU and OSU win their division.

More ramblings from what I'm reading tonight by conference...in no particular order.

ACC
- UConn and Rutgers may be options.

Big East
- Rumored to be making a play for Boise State, Air Force, and Navy in football only.
- Also looking at adding Temple (MAC) and UCF (CUSA).
- East Carolina also rumored.

MWC
- Looking to lose Air Force and Boise State.

SEC
- Missouri could get an invite.
- Other options could be WVU, NC State, or Virginia Tech.

WAC
- Talking to Air Force as well.

Oh another note. Apparently our new conference prez mentioned they are going to target having only 10 or 12 teams during an interview at the Cotton Bowl on Saturday. Which I think could be a very big mistake since the SEC is setting up to go to 14 at some point and then we are in this same circus all over again.

[Easy180]

Anyone that compares the Big 12 with the Big East loses all credibility on the topic. Utterly ridiculous. The weakened Big 12 absolutely destroys the Big East as a football conference. Lol.

Me hurt

[Bill Robertson]

If Missouri ends up going to the SEC, I see this as the future of the Big XII Conference.

North Division

• Boise State
• Brigham Young
• Air Force
• Kansas
• Kansas State
• Iowa State

South Division

• Oklahoma
• Oklahoma State
• Texas Christian
• Texas Tech
• Texas
• Baylor

North Division - Missouri, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Louisville, Boise State, and West Virginia.
South Division - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, and the short horns.

I don't want to cut down every division scenario but in both of these I don't ever see the North having a chance of winning the football title. BYU and Boise St have had a few good years lately but are not likely to remain powers like OU, TU and (cough, cough) OSU might be on the way to becoming.

[dankrutka]

The North is definitely weaker than the South under this scenario, but they could win every once in a while. Kansas State has won a Big 12 title before, Boise State has been good enough to win a Big 12 title or two in the last 10 years, and BYU could possibly contend sometimes. They would win less, but Boise State has been better than any North team over the last decade (we'll see if they can keep it up though...). This is no different than the North of recent times. The Big 12 South every Big 12 title dating back to 2003 when K-State won... To get balance you'd have to split up OU/Tx and that's probably not going to happen.