Islam Explained

[mugofbeer]

Ironic that you end your quote about the ladies while conservative Christians in the legislature pass laws that restrict the rights of women to make choices about reproductive health.

Such an interesting politically correct play on words when you call abortion "reproductive health." I doubt any woman is being denied her "reproductive health." Conservatives may be trying to make it harder for a woman to have an ABORTION - but let's be clear, to a conservative, abortion is murder, plain and simple. If you're going to talk about abortion, call it what it is, abortion. Few conservatives have any desire to 100% outlaw abortion. The vast majority are willing to make it legal in cases of rape, incest or medical need (AKA "reproductive health.")

Whether you favor or disapprove of abortion, stop calling it silly, misleading terms such as "reproductive health." That rarely has much to do with abortion.

[Midtowner]

If we have the ability to mitigate the consequences of bad decisions, it should be made available.

Drunk drivers often benefit from seat belts and airbags and crumple zones and whatnot.

[RealJimbo]

OK, but what about the Muslims?

[kevinpate]

OK, but what about the Muslims?

Most don't get drunk and drive, but they still have access to seat belts and airbags and crumple zones and whatnot.

And while I have no scientific proof whatsoever, there is a part of me that wonders if even the most conservative of social conservatives would just give a 'meh' if the mid-east suddenly adopted a very left of center D stance for termination of pregnancy in their countries.

[HewenttoJared]

Pro-lifer: I think we should try to pass legislation that will deter abortion (if not make it all out illegal) to protect the innocent unborn.
You: OMG, you are anti-woman. You are trying to strip women of their rights. whaaaarggarrrble.

I think your first analogy was dumb, but this one accurately describes the silliness of the debate. If liberals want to win this issue they have to present it as what it is, a difference of opinion about what constitutes a human life. I don't get to force my religious opinions on others, so neither do they.

[HewenttoJared]

but let's be clear, to a conservative, abortion is murder, plain and simple.

Maybe I have insider access to the nature of reality that tells me beef is murder. Can I expect others to obey my belief?

[Midtowner]

Most don't get drunk and drive, but they still have access to seat belts and airbags and crumple zones and whatnot.

And while I have no scientific proof whatsoever, there is a part of me that wonders if even the most conservative of social conservatives would just give a 'meh' if the mid-east suddenly adopted a very left of center D stance for termination of pregnancy in their countries.

The American political parties have historically relied on there being some outside enemy to rally voters to their causes. Right now, it's the Republicans exploiting the hell out of that. Anything positive from the Middle East will be treated as either a victory by Right-thinking people or inconsequential.