Tulsa is outdoing us.

[drumsncode]

Hopefully the link below will work. It looks like Heaven just got a little nicer.

Riverside Restaurateur - New Blue Rose set to bloom by mid-winter - News - City, State, County, Education - Urban Tulsa Weekly

Oh how I love Riverparks in Tulsa! They are going to do a restaurant that will be even better than the River's Edge that closed a while back. It's going to be to-die-for.

[Oil Capital]

Hopefully the link below will work. It looks like Heaven just got a little nicer.

Riverside Restaurateur - New Blue Rose set to bloom by mid-winter - News - City, State, County, Education - Urban Tulsa Weekly

Oh how I love Riverparks in Tulsa! They are going to do a restaurant that will be even better than the River's Edge that closed a while back. It's going to be to-die-for.

It doesn't take much to be better than the River's Edge. Worst food ever.

[drumsncode]

It doesn't take much to be better than the River's Edge. Worst food ever.

Let me clarify. I was really talking about the total atmosphere of that little area on 19th and Riverside. The River's Edge had fantastic atmosphere, but yeah, lousy food.

The new place sounds architecturally brilliant, so it sounds like a true leap forward.

I contrast this with the Hefner Trail, which for me, only has one restaurant that has the proper trail atmosphere, which is Louie's on the Lake. The other restaurants are too far away and too "uppity". If I'm riding the trail on a bike, I need to be able to just park my bike in a rack and eat outside, soaking up all the scenery. For doing that, there is no better trail than River Parks.

The Hefner Trail needs a massive makeover, with some big trees and such. The whole trail feels cold and impersonal. Part of this is just the landscape itself, but you can really feel the difference between it and the one in Tulsa.

[Matt]

Do we have to keep reminding people that nobody is coming to the Ford Center because of the renovations. Do you not realize that as soon as the renovations are over before the start of NBA play that big names are scheduled for the Ford Center? I, for one, am ready to see Kings of Leon in concert at the Ford Center!

Yes, I do realize that, which is why I mentioned two other venues along with it. Take the BOK Center out of the equation and Tulsa is still mopping the floor with OKC when it comes to shows.

[bombermwc]

How many times do we have to go through the mine and yours arena crap? BOKC is experiencing the same flash the Ford Center had when it opened. And now that we have a higher level permanent tenent, there aren't as many dates open....give me the Thunder over a concert any day. Plus...duh...FC is closed for renovations until the fall. geez.

[Jesseda]

tulsa people are funny i mean common how can we take that city serious when the only way in on a major road is a toll road, i mean if you want to go to kansas city, you are mainly forced to go through tulsa and pay, unless you want to take a longer route, same with saint louis..Sad that there is no realy interstate or direct way to tulsa thats not a toll

[RealJimbo]

If Tulsa could ever lose its tendency to look down its nose at its poor relations in OKC, it would be a much better place to visit. As it is now, I balk at paying the turnpike toll to go visit a place that would rather I'd not!

[Matt]

Awesome show at Cain's the other night. Awesome band, awesome venue. Best place to see live music in the state, bar none.

Stopped at QT on the way back and that was awesome, too.

Thanks, Tulsa!

[soonerfan_in_okc]

No offense but the Ford center wont ever be as astonishing as the BOK. Its amazing. And the new ONEOK Field is only a smiggen smaller than the brick. The music scene in Tulsa has us beat as well...They have a "scene". and we arent that much larger than Tulsa. We arent a city the size of dallas we are a city (roughly the same size as Tulsa, Memphis, etc.) And i could see the NFL in Tulsa before us.

Heres why....

Think of memphis and nashville (similar in size, one is slightly larger). One city isnt large enough to support both a NFL and NBA Team. So they put a NBA team in Memphis and a NFL team in Nashville. Tulsa also has lots of traffic from the Fayetteville, Bentonville, Siloam Springs area...

No offense but the Ford center wont ever be as astonishing as the BOK. Its amazing.

Link?

Until the ford center opens up, you can't make a stupid comment like that.

We arent a city the size of dallas we are a city (roughly the same size as Tulsa, Memphis, etc.) And i could see the NFL in Tulsa before us.

roughly the same size as tulsa?? Our metropolitan area has around 350,000 more people. That is a pretty damn big difference. And on the Whole NFL topic, neither Tulsa or OKC will ever get a team. Way to many cities ahead of us in line, and i am sure that the NFL is not going to want to expand to 40 or so teams.

And the new ONEOK Field is only a smiggen smaller than the brick.

As pointed out earlier, it is barely half the size of the brick. that is alot bigger than just a smiggen.


So please deltablues, just stfu. You are starting to make me think you are just a tulsan trying to disguise yourself as someone from OKC.

[evh5150]

tulsa people are funny i mean common how can we take that city serious when the only way in on a major road is a toll road, i mean if you want to go to kansas city, you are mainly forced to go through tulsa and pay, unless you want to take a longer route, same with saint louis..Sad that there is no realy interstate or direct way to tulsa thats not a toll

im surprised that oklahoma's most traveled road isnt tolled: I-35 south to texas state line.

there was talk a few years back about making h.e. bailey a free road, but that hasnt happened.

[bombermwc]

It hasn't happened because the folks that make money off the tolls have a good thing going. Not to mention the fact that we couldnt' afford NOT to have them tolled. ODOT is still running on a 1980's budget and until we get over our dumb ideas that we dont' want to pay more taxes, then we won't get any better. If we could get that 5cent gas tax passed, we could actually have good roads...toll free. But our idiot folks can't see that and just see "new tax" and run. Then they piss and moan about the roads.

Can't have the cake and eat it folks.

And Delta, I agree with soonerfan....you may have opinions, but they lack the facts to back them up.

[bluedogok]

In some other parts of the world ALL highways are toll roads. "Free" highways are not an inalienable right, the toll road model is what is going to pay for new roads, the writing is on the wall. I don't have an issue with that, what I do have an issue with is putting tolls on existing roads that were paid for with gas taxes. Let the traditional funding model pay to maintain and/or expand those and let new roads be built with tolls.

[okcpulse]

Awesome show at Cain's the other night. Awesome band, awesome venue. Best place to see live music in the state, bar none.

Stopped at QT on the way back and that was awesome, too.

Thanks, Tulsa!

What makes Cain's awesome? Is it the structure, the service, the amenities... you guys keep droning on about music venues and how awesome they are without ever going into concrete detail. To me, a kick-ass venue is an outdoor amphitheater.

Awesome bands go to OKC as well. Where's the magic in this OKC vs. Tulsa mambajahamba?

The only thing better about QT are larger restrooms. I'm happy with Circle K and 7-Eleven. I hate public restrooms regardless, in any city and any state. Too many guys do NOT know how to aim and stream.

[dmoor82]

I just saw a commercial for kwtv9 here in OKC! that talked about this and they said OKC has the Thunder but Tulsa is getting better acts! so it will be on at 4-5or 10 newscast, I dont know! sorry, anybody else see this?I didnt catch what time they said!

[dmoor82]

I just saw a commercial for kwtv9 here in OKC! that talked about this and they said OKC has the Thunder but Tulsa is getting better acts! so it will be on at 4-5or 10 newscast, I dont know! sorry, anybody else see this?I didnt catch what time they said!

Yeah I just seen the bit on KWTV9 and they talked to mayor Mick and were asking why Tulsa is getting some new things and not OKC?We should be happy for Tulsa for having nice new things to attract tax revenue! as for me I'll take the Thunder,and the Devon tower,and the newly announced US olympic rowing training facility over a Hard Rock casino or a Dave and Busters and good concerts,and poss. the WNBA,all these pale in comparison to what OKC has got over the past few years,but it is Tulsa's time to shine!!!Go T-Town

[fromdust]

It hasn't happened because the folks that make money off the tolls have a good thing going. Not to mention the fact that we couldnt' afford NOT to have them tolled. ODOT is still running on a 1980's budget and until we get over our dumb ideas that we dont' want to pay more taxes, then we won't get any better. If we could get that 5cent gas tax passed, we could actually have good roads...toll free. But our idiot folks can't see that and just see "new tax" and run. Then they piss and moan about the roads.

Can't have the cake and eat it folks.

ny has some of the highest taxes on gas Gasoline tax information - New York City Gas Prices and they have crap roads and a ton of toll. doubt we would have free roads, or nice for that matter.

[Laramie]

Tulsans have pride and the competitiveness (OKC vs. Tulsa) will only hasten both cities' growth!

[okcpulse]

No offense but the Ford center wont ever be as astonishing as the BOK. Its amazing.

To each his/her own. I am personally not impressed by the BOK. It's a nice arena, but I prefer AA Center in Dallas. Now that's a swank arena. When the Ford Center's remodel is complete, it will be much nicer. But as of now... bleh.

And the new ONEOK Field is only a smiggen smaller than the brick.

Try almost half the size. The seating capacity at ONEOK is what... 7,000? Compared to the Brick's 13,000? I find it interesting that of all the trashing Tulsans do about OKC, they conveniently forget about the Brick, which has been and always will be a very nice ballpark.

The music scene in Tulsa has us beat as well...They have a "scene".

Okay, I'll give you that, but many, many great artists come from and play in OKC. You've just described a dynamic attribute. OKC's music scene has gotten better since the 1990's, and jsut keeps improving. Support your local music scene, assuming you're from OKC.

and we arent that much larger than Tulsa. We arent a city the size of dallas we are a city (roughly the same size as Tulsa, Memphis, etc.)

551,000 in OKC, 385,000 in Tulsa. The gap just keeps getting bigger. And forget the land area argument because it doesn't stand. Over 95% of that 551,000 lives in a contiguous area roughly 240 sq. miles, hence, the urban core of OKC.

1,206,142 in the OKC MSA and 916,079 in the Tulsa MSA. That's nearly 300,000 people.

And i could see the NFL in Tulsa before us.

Heres why....

Think of memphis and nashville (similar in size, one is slightly larger). One city isnt large enough to support both a NFL and NBA Team. So they put a NBA team in Memphis and a NFL team in Nashville. Tulsa also has lots of traffic from the Fayetteville, Bentonville, Siloam Springs area...

The NFL? Doubtful. Heck, the NFL is doubtful in OKC. The NFL requires hefty markets to function, with the exception of Green Bay, which is a city-owned team.

[Matt]

What makes Cain's awesome? Is it the structure, the service, the amenities... you guys keep droning on about music venues and how awesome they are without ever going into concrete detail.

Great sound, great history, great floor, great services, sure. All that. And you can buy a full six-pack of beer, if you want. And it attracts some of the best acts in music today, that likely wouldn't even come to this state if it wasn't for Cain's. To me, that's the best part of all.

EDIT:

Just saw this, and I think it's worth posting:

Cain's ranked #45 in the world for 2009 Mid-Year Ticket Sales

Not too shabby!

To me, a kick-ass venue is an outdoor amphitheater.

Yep, I like outdoor venues too, but they're only as good as the weather.

The only thing better about QT are larger restrooms.

False.

[In_Tulsa]

The new tower in OKC will be nice and the biggest in the state. But a little birdy told me about something bigger is coming out of the ground in Downtown Tulsa stay tuned!!

Hint: Local company but not local in Tulsa Yet?????

[dmoor82]

The new tower in OKC will be nice and the biggest in the state. But a little birdy told me about something bigger is coming out of the ground in Downtown Tulsa stay tuned!!

Hint: Local company but not local in Tulsa Yet?????

Please do tell!!!!

[In_Tulsa]

That's all I can say now but this will be GREAT for Oklahoma!!!

[jbrown84]

I can't imagine what that would be...

[dmoor82]

That's all I can say now but this will be GREAT for Oklahoma!!!

Will it cost more than the Devon tower? will it be taller? come on, ya cant leave us hangin!!!!!

[progressiveboy]

I noticed Wayne Greene, TW editor wrote a short article today finding it rather amusing that OKC is jealous of Tulsa according to KWTV OKC news station complaining that Tulsa is getting all the cool stuff before OKC does. I do notice that Tulsa has Saks, Restoration Hardware, Dave & Busters, and now their "so called" HRC? In addition, T-town has Steve Madden, Oakley, Fossil store that are not found in OKC. It does seem that Tulsa has a better shopping selection than OKC. Even Tulsa has a WF which OKC doesn't, however, strong rumors are persistent that OKC may soon have one. Do you think that OKC is suffering from "capital envy"??