2014 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion

[damonsmuz]

Good for Delta. What is the new time slot being added?

[catch22]

Its a 7am. Will look close to this:
0600-MD88
0700-A319
1030-MD88
1245-MD88
1530-MD88
1730-MD88

[venture]

I say replace the two AM kick off flights with a single 763 and call it good.

[HOT ROD]

777 please

[Plutonic Panda]

I'd like to see 787 come here.

[catch22]

I predict OKC will see a 787 in the next two years.

American will be getting several of them, and it wouldn't surprise me to see one divert when storms hit Dallas

[venture]

777 please

Yeah...keep dreaming.

I'd like to see 787 come here.

Probably will only happen when Dallas is diverting flights due to weather.

EDIT....damnit Catch. Get out of my head.

[Plutonic Panda]

Yeah...keep dreaming.



Probably will only happen when Dallas is diverting flights due to weather.

EDIT....damnit Catch. Get out of my head.

Just curious though... maybe say in the next 5-10 years, is there any possibility we will get them regularly?

[venture]

Just curious though... maybe say in the next 5-10 years, is there any possibility we will get them regularly?

No.

[OUman]

I'd say that's a pretty straightforward answer LOL.

While we're talking about widebody visits anyway, I just saw UPS had a 300-600RF come here overnight (likely due to the extra cargo hauling requirements this time of year). It departed to Louisville early this morning. Nice change from the usual 757-200F. It's good time of year to check FlightAware and see what's coming in terms of cargo flights. They occasionally have larger planes to get all the hoilday goods/cargo shipped to destinations in time.

[catch22]

I'm thinking it may be permanent change. It's been here for the past week or two. Holiday shipments don't really crank up until next week.

[Tier2City]

Just curious though... maybe say in the next 5-10 years, is there any possibility we will get them regularly?

There's more chance of getting a five-stack.

[venture]

I'd say that's a pretty straightforward answer LOL.

While we're talking about widebody visits anyway, I just saw UPS had a 300-600RF come here overnight (likely due to the extra cargo hauling requirements this time of year). It departed to Louisville early this morning. Nice change from the usual 757-200F. It's good time of year to check FlightAware and see what's coming in terms of cargo flights. They occasionally have larger planes to get all the hoilday goods/cargo shipped to destinations in time.

No sense beating around the bush. LOL

[Richard at Remax]

Some pretty big news for us WN fans in terms of international travel

Out of the gate! Six International Destinations Planned for Launch Service from Houston Hobby « Nuts About Southwest

[catch22]

November numbers are in.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Nov...nplanement.pdf

Up roughly 6% again.

Good growth continues, we'll see how the lower oil prices affect business travel here over the next few months.

[no1cub17]

November numbers are in.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Nov...nplanement.pdf

Up roughly 6% again.

Good growth continues, we'll see how the lower oil prices affect business travel here over the next few months.

If only the lower oil prices would result in some lower fares! Thank you DOJ for this triopoly. Not.

[HangryHippo]

At what level do you think we might start some seeing some larger jumps in service? 4 million? 5 million?

[catch22]

It's a catch22 (pardon the cameo).

You can't register more passengers than your capacity currently allows. So there's not really a set number of passengers before things "explode".

[Tier2City]

At what level do you think we might start some seeing some larger jumps in service? 4 million? 5 million?

Can't imagine there'd be anything too dramatic. Some increased frequencies/larger equipment on the main existing routes. In the past Venture has done some excellent work looking at PDEW's for cities not currently served (which I can't find right now). Very crudely, growing those numbers by 25% might tip us over to getting some extra direct cities.

[ljbab728]

November numbers are in.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Nov...nplanement.pdf

Up roughly 6% again.

Good growth continues, we'll see how the lower oil prices affect business travel here over the next few months.

I would think that the big jump by AA has a lot to do with the new CLT service.

[bluedogok]

I'd say that's a pretty straightforward answer LOL.

While we're talking about widebody visits anyway, I just saw UPS had a 300-600RF come here overnight (likely due to the extra cargo hauling requirements this time of year). It departed to Louisville early this morning. Nice change from the usual 757-200F. It's good time of year to check FlightAware and see what's coming in terms of cargo flights. They occasionally have larger planes to get all the hoilday goods/cargo shipped to destinations in time.

Last year when I was working on the RAC-QTA facility at SDF the airport project manager, contractor and I were out at the new QTA building next to the runway when one of those came in and we talking about the UPS stuff there. They had to extend the runway at both ends to handle that plane, pretty much from limit to limit and for the most part it uses all of that runway. For all of the focus on passenger services by some there UPS is the big dog at SDF and the main revenue generator. The QTA facility renovation/expansion was done with cash as is most of their projects. When it comes time to do the RAC parking garage they might bond that one but they are still trying to figure out how to do it on cash.

They said Mother's Day was actually the busiest time of year for UPS at SDF, there was a story on the news about it. I was there the week before and week after the Derby and there was definitely more UPS traffic.

[OUman]

^Yep, UPS HQ is at Standiford. The MD-11Fs and 747-400Fs also routinely ply to/from there. I saw a documentary once on Discovery about how they handle everything at Worldport, including getting in droves of aircraft within a two-hour time-frame, unloading them all and then re-loading them and sending them out again. Pretty fascinating. I'm guessing the Fedex Superhub at MEM works in much the same fashion.

[no1cub17]

I would think that the big jump by AA has a lot to do with the new CLT service.

Indeed - also shows how large an AA FF base they have here. Would love to see them capitalize on this - how about a 3rd daily LAX? Or more ORD frequencies? Looking at next spring, and it seems ORD-OKC is back down to an absurd 3x/day. Gotta love this stupid US Airways LCC management that's in place now. I would think this is a good sign for the upcoming AS flight too.

[catch22]

Everyone is bearish on OKC-ORD.

United has cut to 3 daily, American has cut to 3 daily. Southwest has dropped back down to 1 daily.

[catch22]

AA to LAX was 3 a day for a few months but they returned to twice daily as a result of poor loads.