Criterion Concert Hall

[Urbanized]

Yeah, they MIGHT be able to open without a liquor license and have a caterer handle booze sales under a separate catering license. This is done pretty routinely. The occupancy permit is the big thing.

[Pete]

Yeah, they MIGHT be able to open without a liquor license and have a caterer handle booze sales under a separate catering license. This is done pretty routinely. The occupancy permit is the big thing.

They might be planning to use the catering license from Wormy Dog.

It is very close, too.

Believe they just have to take everything out immediately after the event, then not return it until right before the next one.

[BDP]

I know they were using a big east coast a/v consultant for their sound work and they specialize in live music venues.

Same company is being used by the Jones Assembly.


Being in the a/v business myself, I can tell you that the actual installation of the equipment can be done very quickly. Everything gets planned, ordered then you can pre-wire as soon as the walls go up. After they are finished with all the dirty parts of construction, you merely roll the equipment in, install it in place and test everything out.

Yeah, I suspected it wouldn't take a lot of time. It's more the coordination and timing of everything. The whole this has to be done before we can start that thing.

My limited experience is that nothing ever takes that much time once you get them to actually order supplies and then show up. Of course that could have just been my incompetent contractor.

[BDP]

They might be planning to use the catering license from Wormy Dog.

It is very close, too.

Believe they just have to take everything out immediately after the event, then not return it until right before the next one.

I guess that's how the music lab started doing it, with a catering license.

We have weird laws.

[Pete]

Commercial projects that need to get open in order to generate revenue typically have very aggressive timelines and often have severe penalty clauses for any contractor or sub who misses deadlines.

New construction just isn't that complicated once things get rolling. By far and away the complexity is found in all the planning, financing and permitting that has to happen up front... But once the foundation has been laid, things usually move very fast.

Renovations of quite old structures are a completely different animal, of course. Lots more challenges every step of the way.

If you see substantial delays in new commercial construction after the foundation is in, it's usually a cash flow problem or in the rare case, a major contractor error.

[BDP]

Commercial projects that need to get open in order to generate revenue typically have very aggressive timelines and often have severe penalty clauses for any contractor or sub who misses deadlines.

New construction just isn't that complicated once things get rolling. By far and away the complexity is found in all the planning, financing and permitting that has to happen up front... But once the foundation has been laid, things usually move very fast.

Renovations of quite old structures are a completely different animal, of course. Lots more challenges every step of the way.

If you see substantial delays in new commercial construction after the foundation is in, it's usually a cash flow problem or in the rare case, a major contractor error.

Makes sense. I have zero experience in totally new construction. They seem to be confident it's all going to come together by the Ben Rector show, so I imagine they got it all lined up. They probably have a little bit better access to right people with the city than I do, too.

[Pete]

Yeah, my guess is they'll be cutting it very close with the certificate of occupancy and then will cater the events out of the Wormy Dog until they get a permanent liquor license.

The building has been fully enclosed for a while now, so I'm sure they've made great headway on the inside, which is pretty simple apart from bathrooms.

[TheTravellers]

I guess that's how the music lab started doing it, with a catering license.

We have weird laws.

I was (pleasantly) shocked to see a bar in the Performance Lab for the David J show a few weeks ago, thought that'd never happen due to the school (yeah, it's a university, but still) association. She said they were from Deep Deuce Grill, and they generally show up only if about 75+ tickets are sold, so even though the David J show was the most sparsely attended of the ones I've been to there, it must've hit 75...

[soonerguru]

There was a bar at Yo La Tengo at ACM, too, but they needed at least one more to meet demand; the line was insane.

[soonerfan_in_okc]

I was hoping once the bricks went up it would look better but nope. Some Art Deco designs or something else subtle would have been a nice touch.

[tsou89]

[QUOTE=soonerfan_in_okc;944418]I was hoping once the bricks went up it would look better but nope. Some Art Deco designs or something else subtle would have been a nice touch

Some people just can't be happy😞

[2Lanez]

I was hoping once the bricks went up it would look better but nope. Some Art Deco designs or something else subtle would have been a nice touch.

Huh? What about Bricktown says Art Deco?

[soonerfan_in_okc]

Huh? What about Bricktown says Art Deco?

It's. called. the. criterion. The original structure definitely had some Art Deco incorporated into it and it would have been nice is the architects of this structure paid homage a bit to its namesake. Instead, they designed a structure that looks like it belongs in the middle of a north Dallas neighborhood.

Any small amount of non-brick decorative ornamentation would create a contrast and break up the monotony of the brick walls. That's all I'm saying.

[Pete]

Some good photos of the inside; looks like they are very far along:

A Quick Glimpse Inside the Criterion | News OK

[VoiceOfReason]

What do you expect it to look like? The Bricktown design committee required these guys to use all brick. It's Brick-town. If they would have designed an exact replica of the old Criterion the design would not have been approved. It does look like the glass above the main door and signage are supposed to look like homage to the old Criterion though.

[2Lanez]

It's. called. the. criterion. The original structure definitely had some Art Deco incorporated into it

So it was named in tribute to a historic building. Still needs to be designed for the current environment.

[sooner88]

Widespread Panic announced today for June 19th.

Followed by 3 nights in a row at Red Rocks... Criterion's getting big name after big name.

[Edgar]

Widespread Panic announced today for June 19th.

Followed by 3 nights in a row at Red Rocks... Criterion's getting big name after big name.

Awesome. Hopefully people will support and there won't be the unforseen circumstances like the Zoo show.

[Richard at Remax]

Never really got into WP. Now if they get OAR or Dispatch, I'm all in.

[Edgar]

Never really got into WP. Now if they get OAR or Dispatch, I'm all in.

You have to be in the right frame of mind, man.

[Easy180]

Never really got into WP. Now if they get OAR or Dispatch, I'm all in.

Count me in for Widespread and OAR but I am a little down on OAR since they went a little softer over the past few years.

[trousers]

You know what's really awesome? The $12 per ticket that livenation charges. $30 ticket comes out to $42. Sweet.

[Pete]

Just took these:

[Eddie1]

Very cool sign, they are getting close.

[dankrutka]

Why can't all construction projects move this fast?