OU Football 2024 Season

[PhiAlpha]

Yes. I don't think it should and the supreme court pretty much signaled that it can't be prevented or limited.

Yes, but per the reasons I gave in the rest of my post, it would likely near eliminate it as it exists right now.

[PhiAlpha]

a CBA would "in theory" eliminate booster "fake" NIL and would allow normal endorsement NIL ..

Yeah that’s what I was alluding to.

[Bill Robertson]

I would think that "fake" NIL would be easy to get around. I imagine most boosters with enough money to pay a player big bucks have some way to channel that money through some kind of "player advertises something" deal.

[BDP]

https://x.com/On3sports/status/18687...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

On3 on Mateer to OU.

[Dob Hooligan]

I would think that "fake" NIL would be easy to get around. I imagine most boosters with enough money to pay a player big bucks have some way to channel that money through some kind of "player advertises something" deal.

Although salary caps are new to college sports, they have been exploited and perfected in the NBA, NHL and NFL for over 35 years. There are next to no novel concepts, IMO.

[Bill Robertson]

Although salary caps are new to college sports, they have been exploited and perfected in the NBA, NHL and NFL for over 35 years. There are next to no novel concepts, IMO.

Salary caps in pro sports apply to salary and bonuses. They don't apply to player endorsement money. Which is what NIL is. So including NIL in a salary cap would indeed be a novel concept.

[BoulderSooner]

Salary caps in pro sports apply to salary and bonuses. They don't apply to player endorsement money. Which is what NIL is. So including NIL in a salary cap would indeed be a novel concept.

endorsements from team ownership /representatives is very limited in pro sports .. and that is what we are talking about ... OU boosters are team reps ..

[Bill Robertson]

endorsements from team ownership /representatives is very limited in pro sports .. and that is what we are talking about ... OU boosters are team reps ..

They are not school officials, employees or in any legal way directly connected to the schools. Therefore suggesting that their financial dealings could be limited by a CBA between players and schools would be something completely new as far as I know.

[BoulderSooner]

They are not school officials, employees or in any legal way directly connected to the schools. Therefore suggesting that their financial dealings could be limited by a CBA between players and schools would be something completely new as far as I know.

other pro sports leagues dont' have boosters in the same way college sports do ... that 100% will be addressed in a CBA

[Bill Robertson]

other pro sports leagues dont' have boosters in the same way college sports do ... that 100% will be addressed in a CBA

But can it? A CBA would be a legal agreement between an association of the schools and a union of the players. Including donors in that would be very difficult and probably wouldn't stand up in court since the donors aren't employees of either. The courts have already ruled that the NCAA can't interfere with players receiving NIL, even as a part of recruiting. So why would the courts reverse that for any other association of schools. A CBA can't override legal decisions.

[jedicurt]

other pro sports leagues dont' have boosters in the same way college sports do ... that 100% will be addressed in a CBA

for a CBA to happen, the players would have to become employees of the university, which opens up one set of legal ramifications that universities don't want to take on, nor do the players, and a cba only works if it includes all sports, not just football, and football isn't going to give that power to rowing teams.

[Dob Hooligan]

They are not school officials, employees or in any legal way directly connected to the schools. Therefore suggesting that their financial dealings could be limited by a CBA between players and schools would be something completely new as far as I know.

I think the conferences and schools are anxious to get the money defined and under control. Boosters have been allowed to operate because it wasn't. When players and the schools agree on a system that benefits both, and maximizes distribution to the players, then the NIL will fall under control.

[Dob Hooligan]

But can it? A CBA would be a legal agreement between an association of the schools and a union of the players. Including donors in that would be very difficult and probably wouldn't stand up in court since the donors aren't employees of either. The courts have already ruled that the NCAA can't interfere with players receiving NIL, even as a part of recruiting. So why would the courts reverse that for any other association of schools. A CBA can't override legal decisions.

I think a CBA can override legal decisions, when both sides agree on conduct and payment that is different than legal decisions. That is because both sides collectively agreed.

[Dob Hooligan]

for a CBA to happen, the players would have to become employees of the university, which opens up one set of legal ramifications that universities don't want to take on, nor do the players, and a cba only works if it includes all sports, not just football, and football isn't going to give that power to rowing teams.

Money and "The System" will win out. It always does. Might take a few years, but college athletics will get professionalized and organized.

[jedicurt]

Money and "The System" will win out. It always does. Might take a few years, but college athletics will get professionalized and organized.

only if the separate from the State owned universities. private schools might see this. but there is no way they become state employees of the universities. the regulatory hurdles, state compliance issues, and new rules that would impose on the players, is all just too much to overcome. OU football would have to separate from the University of Oklahoma legally for that to happen. all football programs around the country would.

[FighttheGoodFight]

only if the separate from the State owned universities. private schools might see this. but there is no way they become state employees of the universities. the regulatory hurdles, state compliance issues, and new rules that would impose on the players, is all just too much to overcome. OU football would have to separate from the University of Oklahoma legally for that to happen. all football programs around the country would.

Future OU Foundation employees!

[BoulderSooner]

for a CBA to happen, the players would have to become employees of the university, which opens up one set of legal ramifications that universities don't want to take on, nor do the players, and a cba only works if it includes all sports, not just football, and football isn't going to give that power to rowing teams.

once they are employees they very likely will become employees of RED and WHITE football LLC >.. or whatever it is called that will rent Owen field and license the colors and name for the team from OU

[Bill Robertson]

The big schools with lots of pull, the ones in the top 20 usually. Are they really anxious to get NIL under control when it doesn't cost them anything and gets the top players to play for them. A CBA would likely equalize things to some extent and do the big boys really want that? The players seem to be fine with the current system because they're the ones that have sued to block interference. Maybe us fans, the smaller schools and the unpaid players are the ones most worried about the system being broken. Even though it definitely is.

[Bill Robertson]

once they are employees they very likely will become employees of RED and WHITE football LLC >.. or whatever it is called that will rent Owen field and license the colors and name for the team from OU

Possible. And that would ruin everything college football has ever been about. Even what college has ever been about.

[jedicurt]

The big schools with lots of pull, the ones in the top 20 usually. Are they really anxious to get NIL under control when it doesn't cost them anything and gets the top players to play for them. A CBA would likely equalize things to some extent and do the big boys really want that? The players seem to be fine with the current system because they're the ones that have sued to block interference. Maybe us fans, the smaller schools and the unpaid players are the ones most worried about the system being broken. Even though it definitely is.

exactly this... the players don't want to unionize, because it will even things out amongst all sports, or amongst all teams, and the big schools don't want it either. they would rather just see how things play out. a CBA isn't coming anytime soon for college sports

[CaptDave]

Possible. And that would ruin everything college football has ever been about. Even what college has ever been about.

One could say this has already happened with the coming of the mega conferences, CFB playoffs, etc. The regionality of college conferences was once one of its greatest appeals.

[BoulderSooner]

exactly this... the players don't want to unionize, because it will even things out amongst all sports, or amongst all teams, and the big schools don't want it either. they would rather just see how things play out. a CBA isn't coming anytime soon for college sports

it would only be a football players union ..... they currently pay for all the other sports .... if they became employees they would no longer have to ..

[BoulderSooner]

Possible. And that would ruin everything college football has ever been about. Even what college has ever been about.

college football has never been more popular then it is now ..

[jedicurt]

it would only be a football players union ..... they currently pay for all the other sports .... if they became employees they would no longer have to ..

there is no way title 9 would allow the state to only collectively bargain with just football... it would have to be all sports.

[BoulderSooner]

there is no way title 9 would allow the state to only collectively bargain with just football... it would have to be all sports.

again they would not work for the state ..

also rev share from the schools is starting this summer for all sports .. 20 mil cap 90% is going to football and mens basketball players (and that has court approval)