OnCue OKC Expansion

[baralheia]

I don't happen to see any significant benefit to hiding the parking lot behind the building. It will be wildly successful either way. The neighborhood should be ecstatic that such a nicely run establishment would replace the Gulf. I would encourage all of you to not F this up for the rest of us. Thanks.

The benefit is to make the footprint slightly smaller so we don't lose more 100-year-old homes - one of which was literally just renovated. History should be preserved, but this city is awfully good at destroying our history when we let it.

[jedicurt]

I don't happen to see any significant benefit to hiding the parking lot behind the building. It will be wildly successful either way. The neighborhood should be ecstatic that such a nicely run establishment would replace the Gulf. I would encourage all of you to not F this up for the rest of us. Thanks.

so if you don't see any significant benefit to hiding it, but think it will be wildly successful either way... then that also means you don't see a significant detriment to hiding the parking lot. so what is the harm in trying to get something that actually looks great in the neighborhood as well as being successful?

[chuck5815]

so if you don't see any significant benefit to hiding it, but think it will be wildly successful either way... then that also means you don't see a significant detriment to hiding the parking lot. so what is the harm in trying to get something that actually looks great in the neighborhood as well as being successful?

Question: does the existing Gulf look great to you? You guys are acting like Classen Ten-Penn is Lower Manhattan. News Flash: it's not!

[Ross MacLochness]

Question: does the existing Gulf look great to you? You guys are acting like Classen Ten-Penn is Lower Manhattan. News Flash: it's not!

No. Why is that relevant to this conversation? Why settle for something that reinforces land use of old while everything else in the surrounding area is shifting to a more dense, pedestrian fridl(ier) mode? Why not voice concerns over some historic housing that is being demolished unnecessarily for it? I understand that people are tired of outrage but some things are worth it. Even if some of the ideas to remedy this build are probably unrealistic, this at least gets a conversation started and may indeed incite change for the better. If you disagree with me, great! But please explain why building this gas station as designed is the preferred outcome over any alternative/

[MagzOK]

I will happily frequent this location. I'm glad they are building here.

[Plutonic Panda]

No. Why is that relevant to this conversation? Why settle for something that reinforces land use of old while everything else in the surrounding area is shifting to a more dense, pedestrian fridl(ier) mode? Why not voice concerns over some historic housing that is being demolished unnecessarily for it? I understand that people are tired of outrage but some things are worth it. Even if some of the ideas to remedy this build are probably unrealistic, this at least gets a conversation started and may indeed incite change for the better. If you disagree with me, great! But please explain why building this gas station as designed is the preferred outcome over any alternative/

+1

[chuck5815]

No. Why is that relevant to this conversation? Why settle for something that reinforces land use of old while everything else in the surrounding area is shifting to a more dense, pedestrian fridl(ier) mode? Why not voice concerns over some historic housing that is being demolished unnecessarily for it? I understand that people are tired of outrage but some things are worth it. Even if some of the ideas to remedy this build are probably unrealistic, this at least gets a conversation started and may indeed incite change for the better. If you disagree with me, great! But please explain why building this gas station as designed is the preferred outcome over any alternative/

I'm not in the business of complaining about the decision-making of a private landowner. If someone decided to sell a historic property to Phillips 66/On-Cue at a significant premium, that's their prerogative.

I think we also need to be clear about what Urban Gas stations look like in other cities. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most of them look like the one pictured below. Now, tell me how the Urban Gas station below is materially different from what On-Cue has proposed. Because I'm not seeing any major differences.

[jedicurt]

I'm not in the business of complaining about the decision-making of a private landowner. If someone decided to sell a historic property to Phillips 66/On-Cue at a significant premium, that's their prerogative.

I think we also need to be clear about what Urban Gas stations look like in other cities. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most of them look like the one pictured below. Now, tell me how the Urban Gas station below is materially different from what On-Cue has proposed. Because I'm not seeing any major differences.

just because that is the status quo doesn't mean we can't hope and push for better design. I don't think anyone is upset with OnCue buying the land... i for one am very excited by that and will use it frequently... but that doesn't mean that i can't hope for something that is better than the norm. that is how things get better overtime...

[jedicurt]

[HangryHippo]

I'm not in the business of complaining about the decision-making of a private landowner. If someone decided to sell a historic property to Phillips 66/On-Cue at a significant premium, that's their prerogative.

I think we also need to be clear about what Urban Gas stations look like in other cities. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most of them look like the one pictured below. Now, tell me how the Urban Gas station below is materially different from what On-Cue has proposed. Because I'm not seeing any major differences.

Fair, but if they can be better, can't we require them to be?

[Plutonic Panda]

chuck, can you clarify something? Are you just against an urban design in general or do you worry that if enough pushback is given that OnCue will pull out entirely instead of building anything?

[chuck5815]

chuck, can you clarify something? Are you just against an urban design in general or do you worry that if enough pushback is given that OnCue will pull out entirely instead of building anything?

Don't get me wrong. I like urban design. But a gas station is a gas station. Whether the parking lot is exposed or hidden is immaterial to me, especially when the proposed station is far nicer than anything else in the vicinity.

And yes, I do worry that the NIMBY and BANANA folks will get this location 86'd.

[Ross MacLochness]

Don't get me wrong. I like urban design. But a gas station is a gas station. .

There are examples of gas stations that still work to preserve the flow of the Urban design while still being a gas station.. and besides, On Cue isn't really "just a gas station" it's much much larger than most!

[Buffalo Bill]

I don't happen to see any significant benefit to hiding the parking lot behind the building. It will be wildly successful either way. The neighborhood should be ecstatic that such a nicely run establishment would replace the Gulf. I would encourage all of you to not F this up for the rest of us. Thanks.

Count me in for f-ing this up, just for you.

[BG918]

They could do something like this:

[Plutonic Panda]

Don't get me wrong. I like urban design. But a gas station is a gas station. Whether the parking lot is exposed or hidden is immaterial to me, especially when the proposed station is far nicer than anything else in the vicinity.

And yes, I do worry that the NIMBY and BANANA folks will get this location 86'd.

Well, I happen to believe that OnCue is doing just fine and have the cash to spare to better the community and try a new urban concept that can diversify the companies store designs. Less cookie cutter isn’t bad.

[jonny d]

Well, I happen to believe that OnCue is doing just fine and have the cash to spare to better the community and try a new urban concept that can diversify the companies store designs. Less cookie cutter isn’t bad.

While I agree in principle, the old adage "If it ain't broke..." comes to mind. They have a formula that literally allows them to almost name their income. They probably won't deviate from it, even though it would be nice if they did.

[chuck5815]

Count me in for f-ing this up, just for you.

It's going to feel really good to pump Super Premium Gas on that land. And then maybe crush some High Point Beers.

[gopokes88]

I'm not in the business of complaining about the decision-making of a private landowner. If someone decided to sell a historic property to Phillips 66/On-Cue at a significant premium, that's their prerogative.

I think we also need to be clear about what Urban Gas stations look like in other cities. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most of them look like the one pictured below. Now, tell me how the Urban Gas station below is materially different from what On-Cue has proposed. Because I'm not seeing any major differences.

Flip side of the coin here,

if the neighborhood can convince OnCue to adapt to a more urban friendly without the force of government, isn't that the exact same thing?

I haven't (yet) seen anyone say OKC should come down hard on OnCue and force them to do something, it's mostly just private citizens lobbying a private corporation to do something a better way for their neighborhood. In my Republican mind that is absolutely beautiful and the way it should be.

For all those that have a dog in this fight, OnCue in my experience has been a good corporate neighbor that listens. I met the owners on sight right after they opened 63rd and NW Expressway. They sought me out while pumping gas to ask some questions. They'll listen so long as it doesn't devolve into an angry mob.

[stile99]

For all those that have a dog in this fight, OnCue in my experience has been a good corporate neighbor that listens. I met the owners on sight right after they opened 63rd and NW Expressway. They sought me out while pumping gas to ask some questions. They'll listen so long as it doesn't devolve into an angry mob.

But see, that's the trick. It seems there's a fine line between politely asking and rabidly demanding. One would think there would be a clear demarcation, but it doesn't always play out that way.

[gopokes88]

But see, that's the trick. It seems there's a fine line between politely asking and rabidly demanding. One would think there would be a clear demarcation, but it doesn't always play out that way.

It’s not always perfect but I think okc-itans do a good job. I’m trying to think of some examples of citizens successfully lobbying and getting a corp to change plans. If they can get organized and be respectful but clear I think OnCue will listen. OnCue is a well run company, and they freed us from the plight of 7-11s too

[shawnw]

It's kind of both in this situation...

Nice ask... please build a better designed station - thanks!

Demand... DON'T tear down that 100+ year old house for the love of god!!!

[David]

It’s not always perfect but I think okc-itans do a good job. I’m trying to think of some examples of citizens successfully lobbying and getting a corp to change plans. If they can get organized and be respectful but clear I think OnCue will listen. OnCue is a well run company, and they freed us from the plight of 7-11s too

Braums at Classen Circle.

[Swake]

Quit Trip is notoriously difficult to deal with when locals want changes to stores but here is a new "3rd Generation" QT in Fort Worth pushed to the street with the pumps behind the store.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/11...!4d-97.3312342

And here in Tulsa QT is kind of doing a better store in the Cherry Street area at 15th and Lewis. This is starting construction now:


Kind of.

[BG918]

QT and OnCue probably could care less about building an urban store, they just want to make it easy to pull in, get gas and a drink/snack/cigarettes/etc. QT’s are nice but I wish they would stop building their large stores in Tulsa’s urban neighborhoods and create an urban model like what 7-Eleven has done in some cities like Denver.