Core to Shore

[warreng88]

I think the area around the Central Park will be a lot more like around Forsyth Park in Savannah then Central Park in NYC. There will be more 3-5 story developments surrounding the park than anything else. There might be a few high/mid-rises but I think those will go more in the CBD than C2S.

[RickOKC]

Wouldn't logic suggest that, if people in the early 2000's didn't know what would eventually become of the Core-to-Shore area, the our best projections now might prove to be a tad off, as well? In other words, how do we know whether some major development (in addition to, but in part because of, the park) might not eventually cause the development complexion originally predicted? The future holds so many unknown minefields and gold mines, we really have no idea what C2S will look like in 2030.

[RickOKC]

And that's the great and scary thing about OKC right now--almost anything could happen.

[OKCRT]

And that's the great and scary thing about OKC right now--almost anything could happen.

I wish they would just build a Big 65k seat state of the art Football stadium there and go after the Oakland Raiders. Have a big Grand opening in 2017. That would spur development like never before in that whole area. I know,it's a dream but crazier things have heppened. Follow Indy's plan

[Snowman]

The plan was never ment to be ridgedly followed or expected to be done soon. It was to consider what changes from upgrades to the highway and river could enable. It lays out concepts to guide the kind of development to strive for over the next fifty years or more in that area.

[OKVision4U]

I think the city is under the impression that if they plant the central park then Core to Shore will come...like Field of Dreams or something.

There is a great deal of truth to the "Build it and they will come" approach. Where there's people, there will be developments. And the Park will certainly pull a great deal daily foot traffic for developers to look to.

[OKVision4U]

Very true. I wish I knew how to use a computer to produce the rendering in my head because it'd be a lot better than what the current vision for the Central Park is.

Cuatrodemayo, maybe you could take the lead on the Central Park renderings, I'm sure they will be better than anything else out there. I would love to see what your vision is for Core to Shore / The River.

[OKCisOK4me]

There is a great deal of truth to the "Build it and they will come" approach. Where there's people, there will be developments. And the Park will certainly pull a great deal daily foot traffic for developers to look to.

Yeah and while it (the park) sits early on after it is finished drawing the crowds, all the land surrounding the park will still look like crap. I'll give it 20 years after the park is done that all fronts of the park are 100% developed.

[OKVision4U]

Any ideas on when the COOP area will be purchased? ...is anyone interested?

[betts]

Yeah and while it (the park) sits early on after it is finished drawing the crowds, all the land surrounding the park will still look like crap. I'll give it 20 years after the park is done that all fronts of the park are 100% developed.

I would seriously consider buying there right now, if a developer were so bold as to start housing on the park now. Once the park is done, I would consider renting, if there were very nice rentals available. I love my house, but I might love living on the park more. Or even the promise of a park.

[hoya]

The area from Hudson over to Walker, and from the Interstate up to around 3rd where the new Boulevard should be, is almost the same size as Bricktown and Deep Deuce put together (especially if you take out the big railroad easement parking lot that separates them). I'm not sure what the best development would be for this area, but the city needs to work now to ensure that design standards for it are very very high. I don't care if pieces sit empty for 20 years, we should not have developments like the Legacy taking up parkfront land.

Zero EIFS. Minimum height requirement of 100 feet. Things like that. Developments on Hudson should be of the highest quality. Further back, on Dewey or Shartel or Classen, still strong design rules but eliminate the height requirement. We can create an Adams Morgan type environment in there.

[Just the facts]

The master plan of Manhattan-style high-rises surrounding it is a pipe dream for OKC and simply isn't going to happen without an Austin or Charlotte style boom

Did I miss something with Core to Shore? When did the city envision it with high rises around it? The last renditions I saw from the city showed it almost totally surrounded by one-store single family homes with a few low rise apartments.

[bchris02]

The area from Hudson over to Walker, and from the Interstate up to around 3rd where the new Boulevard should be, is almost the same size as Bricktown and Deep Deuce put together (especially if you take out the big railroad easement parking lot that separates them). I'm not sure what the best development would be for this area, but the city needs to work now to ensure that design standards for it are very very high. I don't care if pieces sit empty for 20 years, we should not have developments like the Legacy taking up parkfront land.

Zero EIFS. Minimum height requirement of 100 feet. Things like that. Developments on Hudson should be of the highest quality. Further back, on Dewey or Shartel or Classen, still strong design rules but eliminate the height requirement. We can create an Adams Morgan type environment in there.

The one thing I agree with here is to not surround the park with developments like the Legacy. There needs to be design codes to ensure it's done right and not to the minimal standards so many developments here adhere to. However, the market must dictate the type of development that surrounds the park. This isn't Manhattan, SF, or Dallas. It isn't Charlotte, Denver, or Austin. I have a hard to believing there is going to be a rush to "manhattanize" the area surrounding the park, meaning we can't expect it to be all mid and high rises and if standards are set requiring it, the area surrounding the park could remain undeveloped for many, many years.

[Just the facts]

What about designating a uniform exterior and height that applies to every structure in Core to Shore?

[warreng88]

Any ideas on when the COOP area will be purchased? ...is anyone interested?

Do you know anyone with an extra $120 million laying around to purchase the land?

[bchris02]

What about designating a uniform exterior and height that applies to every structure in Core to Shore?

Personally, I think Core 2 Shore should be a true new urbanist community, comprised of single family homes, apartments, and low-rise mixed use developments. Quality and placemaking should be the focus.

Harbortown in Memphis is an example of what I envision. That development is amazing and there is currently nothing that comes close in OKC. Memphis isn't that far ahead of OKC in terms of urban development so if it works there it could definitely work here.

Here is the development from above.

[hoya]

The one thing I agree with here is to not surround the park with developments like the Legacy. There needs to be design codes to ensure it's done right and not to the minimal standards so many developments here adhere to. However, the market must dictate the type of development that surrounds the park. This isn't Manhattan, SF, or Dallas. It isn't Charlotte, Denver, or Austin. I have a hard to believing there is going to be a rush to "manhattanize" the area surrounding the park, meaning we can't expect it to be all mid and high rises and if standards are set requiring it, the area surrounding the park could remain undeveloped for many, many years.

I think you're severely underestimating what this city can do.

[betts]

Did I miss something with Core to Shore? When did the city envision it with high rises around it? The last renditions I saw from the city showed it almost totally surrounded by one-store single family homes with a few low rise apartments.

Actually, what I saw last for the western side of the park were 4 story townhouses built similarly to some of the blocks in London (particularly Notting Hill) with the front of the house facing the street all around the block, and a central greenspace. But it was just a concept drawing. The single family houses were west of the park, with a school in their midst. Who knows what developers will think? But I would hate to see four story apartment buildings similar to what we have in Deep Deuce there. The park is the place to do something different. Developers should not downplay the appeal of the park, especially to families, and build cheap and safe.

[bchris02]

Did I miss something with Core to Shore? When did the city envision it with high rises around it? The last renditions I saw from the city showed it almost totally surrounded by one-store single family homes with a few low rise apartments.

[Plutonic Panda]

I know this has been posted before, but I'll post it again. I would love to see these things here!

[Plutonic Panda]

Also would've been nice to see this



instead of this

[Plutonic Panda]

I believe C2S can work if the right things are done to try and make it happen.

[bchris02]

^^^ That is pretty cool. It's a little more ambitious than the Memphis example I used, especially with all the mid-rise structures west of the park, but also has many of the same elements.

[Just the facts]

Those aren't high-rises. If anything, that looks like an attempt to portray the Back Bay area of Boston.

I was thinking that in the Core to Shore area the City could do something similar to what Paris did in the mid-1800's with the Haussmann façades. Not in style mind you , but in spirit. Define the vernacular Oklahoma City style and mandate that all facades in Core to Shore use it. It would save the developers a ton of money and create a very unique district.

For the record, I consider the Main Place Building to be the prototypical Oklahoma City façade.

[OKVision4U]

Do you know anyone with an extra $120 million laying around to purchase the land?

With the COOP still blending in w/ our new skyline, it needs to have a new owner for sure. It makes it more difficult for the other developments to really take off. If this property were to have an anchor development as "Corp Plaza on the River", you would see the other areas take off. As is, its holding things back.