Should Shadid drop out now?

[soonerguru]

I do to and I have heard pretty bad things. Also, how do you know he even said that?

I don't know about the statement I quoted. However, in the story on Fox, a lot of the allegations, such as the drug use references, were actually admitted to by Shadid. Not sure if he admitted to the disgusting quote, but I guess we will know soon enough.

Regardless, as you pointed out, this guy should be nowhere near public office of any kind.

[Plutonic Panda]

If people thought the Toronto mayoral allegations were bad, this certainly takes things to a different level. OKC is about to receive some unwanted national media coverage.

We'll see. . . Wasn't the Toronto mayor the actual mayor and not a candidate?

Oh, and Toronto is a world class Tier 1 city in the ranks of NYC. OKC is not as likely to receive the kind of media attention much larger cities would. I bet if this were NYC, this would be big, but not that big, seeing as Ed Shadid is not the mayor.

[betts]

The story says his wife allegedly recorded those words. And I agree that we all have the right to refuse to incriminate ourselves, but a lot of us would have no reason to need to do so.

[SouthsideSooner]

"Documents show quotes from Shadid allegedly recorded by his ex-wife. She said Shadid was talking about achieving sobriety and staying out of rehab and said:

"Just kill the kids if I ever, if I ever go back, I hope the kids are raped and tortured."

[zookeeper]

What do you think is not Christ-like?

I took the information from the facts available and concluded that the guy has serious issues. He does. Is that not appropriate?

If he has the myriad issues described in that article, I find it very difficult to believe he's presently entirely "cured" of them. Again, why is that not Christ-like?

If he has these issues, they do go way beyond politics. Why is that observation not Christ-like?

He needs to be out of this race. Why is that observation not Christ-like?

Christ was all about directly confronting the real issues that real people faced. He faced the woman at the well. He faced the rich man. He did not ignore the realities that were in front of Him.

If taking the direct court records and drawing the conclusions about his obvious problems is not Christ-like, I'd like to understand how. I didn't judge him. I didn't say he was condemned or going to Hell. In fact, I tried to express the importance of him getting out of this race now to avoid further exposure that damages him and his family.

Do I hope he exorcises these demons? Of course. I hope he comes to a saving knowledge of Christ as well. But he has no business in public office.

Well, for one, you began your post: "Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up." It just didn't come across as Christ-like, compassionate (for all involved) to me. I read your "Christian" posts and they mean nothing to me anymore. Ironically, you mentioned the woman at the well, maybe you should read that story again. He handled that in a completely opposite way than what you wrote and how you wrote it. But then again, evangelicals aren't exactly known for paying too much attention to those parts of the New Testament anyway.

Sorry, this whole thing has stunned me. From Shadid AND from the media to print this. But I sure hate to see the "Christians" here act so judgmental and pure.

[Plutonic Panda]

I don't know about the statement I quoted. However, in the story on Fox, a lot of the allegations, such as the drug use references, were actually admitted to by Shadid. Not sure if he admitted to the disgusting quote, but I guess we will know soon enough.

Regardless, as you pointed out, this guy should be nowhere near public office of any kind.

I agree with you that Ed should never be in any kind of public office and really any sort of important decision making process for a long time if ever. I'm just trying to keep things in perspective here. If he really did say that, I don't know what else to say.

Saying something that sinister is really hard to forget or forgive. If he did say that, maybe he was drunk, on drugs, or maybe both.

[soonerguru]

He also clearly has lied to the public about the nature of why he wanted to keep these records sealed.

His alleged involvement with gay prostitutes doesn't bother me that much, however, the allegations that he 1) watched porn in front of his kids, and 2) choked his wife I find very disturbing. I will say that even his alleged free basing of cocaine wouldn't bother me that much on its own, but considering these things allegedly happened while he was married with kids is not comforting.

[Plutonic Panda]

The story says his wife allegedly recorded those words. And I agree that we all have the right to refuse to incriminate ourselves, but a lot of us would have no reason to need to do so.

Alright, well she will either need to show the evidence or it will be nothing but a story with no credibility.

[Plutonic Panda]

He also clearly has lied to the public about the nature of why he wanted to keep these records sealed.

His alleged involvement with gay prostitutes doesn't bother me that much, however, the allegations that he 1) watched porn in front of his kids, and 2) choked his wife I find very disturbing. I will say that even his alleged free basing of cocaine wouldn't bother me that much on its own, but considering these things allegedly happened while he was married with kids is not comforting.

Yeah, now the porn in front of the kids was extremely disturbing. I don't know how someone could do that and why she allowed that to happen is beyond me. Is that even legal to do something like that?

I also did not know about him choking his wife, I must of missed that part in the article.

[soonerguru]

"Documents show quotes from Shadid allegedly recorded by his ex-wife. She said Shadid was talking about achieving sobriety and staying out of rehab and said:

"Just kill the kids if I ever, if I ever go back, I hope the kids are raped and tortured."

There's a recording of this? I would think this recording would sink any political campaign on any level, and would probably cause people to lose their jobs. Who would say something like this? As Plutonic Panda points out, perhaps he was very high on drugs, but I've done numerous substances in my life and I cannot imagine saying something of that nature.

[SoonerDave]

Dave, I don't like Ed Shadid. I said what I had to say about it above.
But for someone, like yourself, who writes regularly about their walk with Christ - that was not a very Christ-like post.
What would Jesus do? Your religious views mean nothing to anybody when you show so little compassion at times like this.

zoo, I'm going to reply to this again since you modified your previous post and emphasized certain aspects of mine.

1. Do you not think there exists a non-trivial number of people that wish they were privy to this information before they voted him as their councilor?
2. If he's truly "addicted" as many offer, there's a fairly standard holding that addicts are never truly "cured." He's worked very hard to project the image that those issues are behind him. I think that's disingenuous if addictions are what's at hand.

What would Jesus do? He would not ignore these issues and pretend they were gone. He told the woman at the well that the man she was living with wasn't her husband. He charged her to go and sin no more. He turned over the moneychanger's tables outside the synagogue for making a mockery of giving to the church. He did not ignore wrong in the name of compassion.

I appreciate the fact that you've seen my references regarding my faith in Christ in my other posts here, and if I've said something inappropriate or offensive in that light, one that diminishes what you see of Christ in me, then I have to be accountable for it. Perhaps the wording was too strident. But whom is in the greatest need for compassion? I don't think of just Ed, I think of his kids, or perhaps even his extended family who is now living through this exposition. But I stand behind my opinion that he has no business anywhere near public office, and the folks who voted for him have every right to wish they had known who they were electing. Lastly, I stand by my assertion that the very best thing he can do now is get out of this race, and frankly away from his council seat, for the benefit of those kids he was presumably trying to protect.

[Plutonic Panda]

There's a recording of this? I would think this recording would sink any political campaign on any level, and would probably cause people to lose their jobs. Who would say something like this? As Plutonic Panda points out, perhaps he was very high on drugs, but I've done numerous substances in my life and I cannot imagine saying something of that nature.

Yeah and to really answer the main question of this thread, I do think he should drop out and resign from his current position as a ward councilman.

[ljbab728]

Alright, well she will either need to show the evidence or it will be nothing but a story with no credibility.

plupan, I would think that information about a recording would have been produced in court if it was needed. Someone who would say in court that they had something recorded and couldn't back that up would be very stupid.

[soonerguru]

Yeah, now the porn in front of the kids was extremely disturbing. I don't know how someone could do that and why she allowed that to happen is beyond me. Is that even legal to do something like that?

I also did not know about him choking his wife, I must of missed that part in the article.

That was reported on Channel 9.

[Plutonic Panda]

plupan, I would think that information about a recording would have been produced in court if it was needed. Someone who would say in court that they had something recorded and couldn't back that up would be very stupid.

Ok, so where is it? Are we just supposed to assume it existed because they stated in court they had a recording?

[soonerguru]

Ok, so where is it? Are we just supposed to assume it existed because they stated in court they had a recording?

I'm sure we're going to know more when the Oklahoman comes out with its story. As for me, I've seen enough to indicate the guy should drop out of the race -- and resign his council seat. I'm also regretful that I worked to help him get elected in the first place.

I understand many people go through hard times, but Ed Shadid is not fit to be mayor, and he has not been honest with the citizens of OKC about his past -- or his campaign positions.

[Plutonic Panda]

I can agree with that! I just want to keep things in perspective and not get all bent out of shape about things we don't whether are true or not.

[SouthsideSooner]

What kind of man chooses to remain in the race and have this unsealed and become public record instead of dropping out and it remained sealed?...seriously? Apparently his kids reading these things are less important...

He went negative from the jump and I can only imagine the TV spots that will run leading up to the election...

What affect is this likely to have on his medical practice?

His ego is truely out of control...

[zookeeper]

What kind of man chooses to remain in the race and have this unsealed and become public record instead of dropping out and it remained sealed?...seriously? Apparently his kids reading these things are less important...

He went negative from the jump and I can only imagine the TV spots that will run leading up to the election...

What affect is this likely to have on his medical practice?

His ego is truley out of control...

I don't think there was ever a suggestion of a quid pro quo. The Oklahoman wasn't blackmailing him out of the race - or else they'd publish the records.

I think he simply has to get out now. Not a moment too soon.

[ljbab728]

Ok, so where is it? Are we just supposed to assume it existed because they stated in court they had a recording?

I don't know where it is and don't care. If you want to file perjury charges against someone for saying it exists when it doesn't that is always a possibility. I doubt very seriously that will happen because I don't think a lawyer would allow a client to make a statement like that without being able to back it up. In any case, I don't think the audio will be posted here for you to listen to.

[ljbab728]

He went negative from the jump and I can only imagine the TV spots that will run leading up to the election...

If you're thinking that Mick will bring this up in any TV spots, don't hold your breath. I expect him to stay completely away from this issue.

[SouthsideSooner]

If you're thinking that Mick will bring this up in any TV spots, don't hold your breath. I expect him to stay completely away from this issue.

Mick won't and doesn't need to... It will be something along the lines of "Citizens for..."

[SoonerDave]

Well, for one, you began your post: "Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up." It just didn't come across as Christ-like, compassionate (for all involved) to me. I read your "Christian" posts and they mean nothing to me anymore. Ironically, you mentioned the woman at the well, maybe you should read that story again. He handled that in a completely opposite way than what you wrote and how you wrote it. But then again, evangelicals aren't exactly known for paying too much attention to those parts of the New Testament anyway.

Sorry, this whole thing has stunned me. From Shadid AND from the media to print this. But I sure hate to see the "Christians" here act so judgmental and pure.

Zoo, the man is messed up. Are you saying that he isn't?

Again, I do not back down for a second that Christ never ignored wrong in the name of compassion. He offered her the fount of life from Him, and still encouraged her to "sin no more." If that's still a misreading as far as your concerned, and from there you're going to put me into whatever box you choose, there's nothing I can do about it.

If it comes to compassion and judgmentalism, I respectfully would offer that you need to take a look in your own mirror about how you've packaged, judged, and condemned me on the basis of your own notions of how "evangelicals...(don't) pay too much attention to those parts of the New Testament." You obviously have broader issues with "evangelicals," and for whatever reason found a way to lump me into a pile you've already marked down in your own mind.

I'm not going to further derail this thread into a theological discussion. Ed Shadid is as open to salvation as any one that has ever lived. Christ died for him as much as he did you or me. It is not lacking compassion to make the obvious assertion that the man has serious, serious issues facing him - issues that go way beyond the boundaries of politics. If making that statement offends you, or the phrasing I used in making that statement offends you, I'm sorry. Maybe I need some compassion, too

I'm finished with this aspect of the thread. zoo, you're going to get the last word on me...

[SouthsideSooner]

I don't think there was ever a suggestion of a quid pro quo. The Oklahoman wasn't blackmailing him out of the race - or else they'd publish the records.

I think he simply has to get out now. Not a moment too soon.

I don't think so either but had he chosen to back out and resign his public office, he would have had a very strong argument to keep the records sealed...

[gjl]

What makes a person even consider running for public office with these kinds of skeletons in their closet? In this day and age, do they really think this kind of stuff won't eventually come out?