NCAA Football Rumors: When Will Texas Longhorns Fire Mack Brown?

[soonerguru]

Yeah, well, I hear you, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Our beloved Sooners have had their share of drama over the years. Entire books have been written about the dysfunction of Sooner football in our past. It's all a racket anyway. It damn sure isn't what it once was with true student athletes.

I'm sorry, but did you read my post?

I was referring to the bungled hiring of coaches. Yes, we had our Blake and Schnelly hires, but we also hired Bud, Barry, and Bob, and did so without having big donors freelancing all over the place and airing out our dirty laundry in public.

Actually, the point is that Texas is effing this up, and that's just about it.

[venture]

Iowa State losing to Northern Iowa, Kansas State losing to North Dakota State as well as Texas losing to BYU clearly shows the BIG 12 is crap.

You know...ND State doesn't bother me as much since they are the two time defending FCS champ...which should be able to be a good number of FBS schools. However the Big 12 is definitely in a very down year.

USA Today does have the conference #4 somehow still...behind SEC, Big Ten, and PAC 12. If someone gets through the Big 12 this year undefeated do they deserve to go to the BCS title game over a 1 loss SEC team? More than likely...No.

[zookeeper]

I'm sorry, but did you read my post?

I was referring to the bungled hiring of coaches. Yes, we had our Blake and Schnelly hires, but we also hired Bud, Barry, and Bob, and did so without having big donors freelancing all over the place and airing out our dirty laundry in public.

Actually, the point is that Texas is effing this up, and that's just about it.

Don't take it personal, I sure didn't mean it that way! I was simply saying our beloved Sooners once "effed" everything up but good making the covers of all the sports magazines leading to Switzer's leaving OU and the program imploding every bit as much as anything that's happened at Texas so far. More so - I remember it well. Surely you do as well?

We also had our bungling of coaching hires. Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger, John Blake. So, yes, we've been there too. That's my only point. Those were dry years indeed. And Texas has had their periods of great coaches too, Darrell Royal being but one. Fred Akers and Royal back-to-back was nothing but brilliant football.

[Jim Kyle]

Of course you're aware that Darrell Royal, and also Colorado's Eddie Crowder, both played for Bud in the late 40s and both took part in that huge streak of wins. At the time I was a student, and accredited to the press box as a photographer for the yearbook, and had the opportunity to watch both of them in action.

[zookeeper]

Of course you're aware that Darrell Royal, and also Colorado's Eddie Crowder, both played for Bud in the late 40s and both took part in that huge streak of wins. At the time I was a student, and accredited to the press box as a photographer for the yearbook, and had the opportunity to watch both of them in action.

Absolutely! What great memories you must have to be there at the time of true greatness. Funny you mentioned this as I just finished reading an article about Bill Snyder. Talk about a coaching machine. That guy has mentored some of the best.

[Jim Kyle]

Definitely great memories. One of my first magazine article sales to really national media was a personality piece on Bud himself, published in Sport Magazine the same month that Esquire came out with its piece about how "700 millionaires" financed the Sooners to their incredible string of victories (which was only around its midpoint at that time). The coach was a true gentleman, in every sense of the word. Incredible as it may seem, he relaxed by playing classical piano -- and was very good at it. His style was so laid back that he would have been invisible in today's scene -- but it was perfect for that time and place.

[soonerguru]

Don't take it personal, I sure didn't mean it that way! I was simply saying our beloved Sooners once "effed" everything up but good making the covers of all the sports magazines leading to Switzer's leaving OU and the program imploding every bit as much as anything that's happened at Texas so far. More so - I remember it well. Surely you do as well?

We also had our bungling of coaching hires. Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger, John Blake. So, yes, we've been there too. That's my only point. Those were dry years indeed. And Texas has had their periods of great coaches too, Darrell Royal being but one. Fred Akers and Royal back-to-back was nothing but brilliant football.

Not personal at all. The subject wasn't about scandal, it was about the post-modern world and coaching hires. Texas is looking bad in how they're handling it thus far, and it makes me happy we have Boren and Castiglione in charge and we don't have out-of-control big money donors making an embarrassing spectacle of a coaching search. You would think Texas' rich guys would be a little more self aware of how they are actually hurting the program they love.

[Jim Kyle]

it makes me happy we have Boren and Castiglione in charge and we don't have out-of-control big money donors making an embarrassing spectacle of a coaching search. You would think Texas' rich guys would be a little more self aware of how they are actually hurting the program they love.

Don't get too happy; look at what's happened to the Pride of Oklahoma! We don't have a lot of room to criticize the money folk in Texas...

[zookeeper]

The subject wasn't about scandal, it was about the post-modern world and coaching hires.

I understand it was about coaching and the trouble Texas is having. These kinds of things happen. To Texas, to OU, to Alabama, it all comes around. Remember 'Bama 2000-2007 or so? The Tide was off the radar after all of their drama with scandal and coaching-go-round. It all comes around. Step back from the past few weeks and of all schools in the NCAA, Texas is a solidly stable athletic program.

By the way, I'm curious what you meant by "it was about the post-modern world and coaching hires." I get the coaching hire problem that every school has at one point or another, but I think this is the first I've ever seen the term "post-modern" used in a discussion about college football.

[bluedogok]

Wow. This story is cray cray. Should be retitled: "How to scare away potential new coaching hires." All the dirty laundry and fratricide on display to the whole world before they've conducted a single interview, topped off with UT's biggest donor (and Brown's lawyer) threatening to sue people. Beautiful. What a dysfunctional situation.

That is why I have been saying that Mack is there until Red and Joe tell him to leave since they are the two that the admin really listens to, they let the other donors with access to vent and then ignore them. How convenient for Mack that Joe is his attorney.

Not personal at all. The subject wasn't about scandal, it was about the post-modern world and coaching hires. Texas is looking bad in how they're handling it thus far, and it makes me happy we have Boren and Castiglione in charge and we don't have out-of-control big money donors making an embarrassing spectacle of a coaching search. You would think Texas' rich guys would be a little more self aware of how they are actually hurting the program they love.

Joe and Red are 86/87, they aren't going to be around a whole lot longer. They just don't tend to be as public as Boone but then he doesn't really say too much stupid stuff to the media.

[ou48A]

There is way to much ego for some of those folks to ever stay silent
Some of the biggest biggest big cigar problem makers for UT sit on their board of regents.

[Soonerman]

It is crap. We need to be making our exit plans now.

We needed to do that in 2010.

[Laramie]

We needed to do that in 2010.

Oh so true... Most people want Oklahoma & Oklahoma State in the same league. This was the big push the Texas legislature had about Texas & Texas A&M. Being in separate leagues wouldn't stop the Bedlam Rivary?

[soonerguru]

We needed to do that in 2010.

Agreed. At some point opportunity may come up for OU -- without OSU. OU needs to act in its best interest.

[ou48A]

Not personal at all. The subject wasn't about scandal, it was about the post-modern world and coaching hires. Texas is looking bad in how they're handling it thus far, and it makes me happy we have Boren and Castiglione in charge and we don't have out-of-control big money donors making an embarrassing spectacle of a coaching search. You would think Texas' rich guys would be a little more self aware of how they are actually hurting the program they love.

Sounds like the realignment possibility are stirring again with rumors that the big Texas cigars are not happy with their leaderships decision to stay in the Big 12 and not move to the PAC.
Texas is insisting that they take Tech and OU and the PAC is insisting on KU according to the rumors.
They would be added to a western divission of the PAC with ASU, U of A, Utah and CU.

[zookeeper]

Sounds like the realignment possibility are stirring again with rumors that the big Texas cigars are not happy with their leaderships decision to stay in the Big 12 and not move to the PAC.
Texas is insisting that they take Tech and OU and the PAC is insisting on KU according to the rumors.
They would be added to a western divission of the PAC with ASU, U of A, Utah and CU.

Now is the time to stop the pretension of "student athletes" and move toward a semi-pro system with paying players and treating it like the business it is anyway.

[MWCGuy]

The easiest way to fix the whole situation with college football is to quit worrying about where the money comes from. Require each athlete to report everything to accounting firm and the accounting firm reports it to the IRS. Just like employers do. Require the players to produce a 1099 for everything they receive. If the players don't produce tax paperwork, they get turned over to the IRS. The problem will solve it self because the booster and fans will not want the IRS sniffing in their finances.

[SoonerDave]

The easiest way to fix the whole situation with college football is to quit worrying about where the money comes from. Require each athlete to report everything to accounting firm and the accounting firm reports it to the IRS. Just like employers do. Require the players to produce a 1099 for everything they receive. If the players don't produce tax paperwork, they get turned over to the IRS. The problem will solve it self because the booster and fans will not want the IRS sniffing in their finances.

Not that simple, because the problem you address is just the booster side (where's the money coming from). Even if you take away the "evil booster" problem, you still have the intractable funding equity issue, because so long as Title IX exists, any school-proffered mechanism that allows money to flow directly to student-athletes for football will, in turn, mandate that the same money be routed to every other sport the school hosts. That's why there was so much resistance to the NCAA proposal for an "additional stipend" for football players because most schools haven't the slightest hope of financing it across the board to the other, non-revenue-producing sports.

[Just the facts]

That's is why you divorce the athletic program from the school and then all the federal regulation and NCCA rules goes away. Then the team just pays a licensing fee to use the schools name.

[SoonerDave]

That's is why you divorce the athletic program from the school and then all the federal regulation and NCCA rules goes away. Then the team just pays a licensing fee to use the schools name.

The NCAA regulation doesn't go away if they prohibit schools whose athletic programs are not organized that way from competing with those who are. Besides, the non-revenue-generating sports aren't going to get shadow operating entities to "purchase" them.

[Dubya61]

That's is why you divorce the athletic program from the school and then all the federal regulation and NCAA rules goes away. Then the team just pays a licensing fee to use the schools name.

Would the NFL ever go for that? I'll bet they'd try very hard to stop it.

[Laramie]

Mack Brown's coaching career is on life support as the University of Texas Longhorns dodged a bullet defeating Iowa State Cyclones 31-30 with 51 seconds to go in the game. --The Texans Longhorns survived a scare against the Iowa State Cyclones, winning 31-30. However, it was an ugly game, and the Longhorns got away with a rather controversial win.


Texas vs. Iowa State: Score, Analysis as Cyclones Put Longhorns on Upset Alert | Bleacher Report


Texas will take a 3-2 record into the Red River Rivarly.

[SoonerDave]

Mack Brown's coaching career is on life support as the University of Texas Longhorns dodged a bullet defeating Iowa State Cyclones 31-30 with 51 seconds to go in the game. --The Texans Longhorns survived a scare against the Iowa State Cyclones, winning 31-30. However, it was an ugly game, and the Longhorns got away with a rather controversial win.


Texas vs. Iowa State: Score, Analysis as Cyclones Put Longhorns on Upset Alert | Bleacher Report


Texas will take a 3-2 record into the Red River Rivarly.

All personal Texas animus aside, that was one of the most asinine final drives I've seen in years of watching CFB.

Texas had four second-half drives that ended thusly: Punt, Punt, Fumble, Punt. Their very last drive was aided by not one, not two, but three pass interference calls and a "grabbing the opening of the helmet" personal foul penalty. Setting half-the-distance elements aside, that's 60 yards in penalties, plus a perfectly legitimate strip of the ball at the one-yard-line from a running back fully one, if not two seconds before any whistles blew that the officials simply ignored.

The strip/fumble non-call was eerily similar to the way OSU got jobbed last year against....Texas.

No one really likes to believe that refs would really want one team over another to win. That's stuff of paranoid conspiracy theories and spinny-head "aliens are after" me stuff.

But, man, nearly identical situations in critical games two years in a row, all to the benefit of the same team, after a long drive where penalties even got them there in the first place. At some point, it starts to get hard not to don the propeller head.

Let's put it a different way. Same kind of game, same situation: I don't think one school in 100 gets that same sequence of calls. Perhaps its a first-cousin to the fact that NBA stars never get called for traveling in the lane when driving to the basket. If you're Texas, you can drive the lane. A lot.

ISU coach Paul Rhoads was livid after the game. He spoke his mind, and said he "didn't care what the Big 12 office thought about it." I heard what he said, and thought it was very apropos in context. He was focused on his kids that had a win quite literally taken away from them. "Your kids make a play at the goal line with their backs to the wall, and the refs take it away from you." Great line.

[Just the facts]

I have lost most interest in college football and have only watched parts of 7 Big XII games this year and it seems to me that BIG XII officiating is much worse than it ever was before. Conspiracy theories at least would provide a reasonable excuse - I think they are simply bad. On the goal line the whistle blew a full second after ISU had the ball. If anything, it should have been ISU ball at the 3 yard line - where the runner was when the whistle blew. Of course, the ISU played had an open field with no one in pursuit when the whistle blew so some could argue ISU should either get a touchdown or have the ball placed at the Texas 1 yard line. What is the point in having instant replay if you don't trust it?

For those that missed it..

[SoonerDave]

I have lost most interest in college football and have only watched parts of 7 Big XII games this year and it seems to me that BIG XII officiating is much worse than it ever was before. Conspiracy theories at least would provide a reasonable excuse - I think they are simply bad. On the goal line the whistle blew a full second after ISU had the ball. If anything, it should have been ISU ball at the 6 yard line - where the runner was when the whistle blew. Of course, the ISU played had an open field with no one in pursuit when the whistle blew so some could argue ISU should either get a touchdown or have the ball placed at the Texas 1 yard line. What is the point in having instant replay if you don't trust it?

George Schroeder asked a very salient question about the replay official: Does the replay contain audio, or is it video only? If it had audio, including the whistle, then the fact the strip was still disallowed is beyond ridiculous.