Santa Fe Stops Fluoridating Its Water - OKC Should Do the Same

[RadicalModerate]

Dang. And here I thought I was going to get a "warning" about trolling/going off topic. =)
P.S.: I refrained from posting a YouTube Link. Thanks for picking up the slack. =)

Edited to Add: Okay . . . It's NOT a YouTube Link. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand videos.
If you have Fluoride Induced Total Recall, that is. =)

BTW: Scientific Studies have yet to make the connection between adding Fluoride to the drinking water and global warming/nuclear war, but there is anecdotal evidence that it increases one's sensitivity to train horns and cheating "Indian" casinos. =)

[Martin]

So are there any organizations out there endorsing water fluoridation willing to really stand up for it in court, rather than try to legally get out of doing so?

from what i can tell, the cdc endorses an optimum level of .7 mg/l. previously, a range of .7 - 1.2 mg/l was supported. -M

[RadicalModerate]

1.3 mg/l was ruled inadmissable.
(However, it should be noted, in all fairness, for the record, that the attorney who attempted to introduce that standard adjustment of the parameters, on behalf of his client, was unable to "stand up in court" on account of he was suffering from Dr. Strangelove/Lebowski Syndrome. So he simply emailed a hologram to the court and the bailiff couldn't figure out how to present it as evidence.)

(Sorry . . . I watched the season premier of "Breaking Bad" last night and the lawyer character put in an appearance) . . .

[cferguson]

Below are some key points that show the benefits of fluoridating water.

This was the first study conducted on the benefit of treating water with Fl

• Children surveyed in 26 states with DMFT (decayed missing fill teeth) index.
• Caries in children was lower in community water supply with Flˉ concentrations more than 1.0 ppm. Prevalence of dental fluorosis was was low and very mild.
• Tested hypothesis that dental caries could be prevented by adjusting the Flˉ concentration of community water supplies from negligible levels to 1.0 -1.2 ppm.
• 1945 – field study in 4 pairs of cities: Grand Rapids and Muskegon, MI; Newburgh & Kingston, NY; Evanston & Oak Park, IL; Brantford & Sarnia, Ontario, Canada.
• Cross-sectional surveys conducted in these cities over 13-15 year period. Caries reduction by 50-70% among children in fluoridated communities.


Different communities need varying amounts of Fl in the water due to average consumption. Warmer climates have lower concentrations of Fl added (they tend to drink more water b/c it is hot) - colder climates have higher concentrations of Fl added to the water (they drink less water).

For those of you that wonder why Fl is added to water and how it protects teeth -
- it inhibits demineralization of the teeth. It also enhances remineralization by absorbing to the tooth surface. This attracts calcium ions present in saliva. After which, the fluoride bonds with calcium and phosphate ions creating a fluorapatite. This essentially makes the tooth less soluble to bacterial acids.
- Fluoride also enters bacterial cells interfering with enzyme activity and changes the intracellular pH. This results in reduced acid production of the bacteria which prevents dissolution of the tooth minerals.

Lastly, here are some stats that compare the cost effectiveness of adding Fl to public drinking systems.

• Water fluoridation costs range from approximately 50 cents in communities with more than 50,000 persons to $3.00 per person in communities of less than 10,000.
• Reduced direct health care expenditures through prevention of caries and avoidance of restorative care. Every $1 invested in fluoridation saves $38 in dental tx.
• Water fluoridation is the most cost effective method in the U.S. per saved tooth surface.

Please visit the CDC website concerning water fluoridation. http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/

[Bunty]

But I doubt the studies showing benefits of fluoride take into account how the widespread use of fluoridated toothpaste would impact the results.

[Martin]

But I doubt the studies showing benefits of fluoride take into account how the widespread use of fluoridated toothpaste would impact the results.

actually, they have taken that into account... -M

[HewenttoJared]

But I doubt the studies showing benefits of fluoride take into account how the widespread use of fluoridated toothpaste would impact the results.

Real work at that scale is usually very thorough. Anything you or I think of that might compromise the data...they've already quantified it and made adjustments if necessary.

[Bunty]

Real work at that scale is usually very thorough. Anything you or I think of that might compromise the data...they've already quantified it and made adjustments if necessary.

But in the real world the benefits of fluoridated water don't add up:

FROM: http://www.orgsites.com/ny/newyorkst...ion/_pgg1.php3

- Tulsa, Oklahoma, water department, where 19% of residents lost six or more teeth.(5) Compare that to New York State's two largest non-fluoridated counties, Suffolk and Nassau, where only 16% lost six or more teeth. Nassau and Suffolk received no kudos for retaining their natural choppers.

Further, an Oklahoma Department of Health Report reveals an "Alarming Prevalence of Tooth Decay Among Oklahoma's Children," where nearly 70 percent of third graders have cavities(6) although 75% drink fluoride-laced water.

[HewenttoJared]

Right, cavity rates are more dependent on income than on fluoridation. That doesn't mean that fluoridation doesn't work.

[Bunty]

Then here is a good recently made video against fluoridation.

[HewenttoJared]

The organization responsible for that video claims that vitamin D works better than vaccines. I haven't eaten beef or chicken in years. I buy organic more often than not and I am very conscious of food and waterborne contaminants. That video is not something that I would ever get too worked up about. I can appreciate why it seems convincing, but it ignores the QC that all of our food and water additives go through.

[Bunty]

Rather than fight city hall and try to counter pro fluoridation propaganda from the government and other sources, I'll simply reduce my exposure to fluoride by using a water filter at the kitchen sink that is able to get rid of fluoride. As a added bonus it will filter out chlorine, which is also a poison. At the same time the filtered water should make my coffee taste better.

[TheOKCitian]

What the CDC doesn't mention is that tooth decay rates have also dropped in countries that do NOT fluoridate:



So since the correlation is not valid, and fluoride has known health risks due to its toxicity, why not stop fluoridation?

[Bunty]

Wichita voted by a large margin not to start fluoridating its water.

Day after victory, Wichita fluoridation opponents vow to work against fluoridation nationally - KansasCity.com

[HewenttoJared]

What the CDC doesn't mention is that tooth decay rates have also dropped in countries that do NOT fluoridate:



So since the correlation is not valid, and fluoride has known health risks due to its toxicity, why not stop fluoridation?

NIH and WHO track those rates and they are very open With the information that shows that they correlate strongly with more than just fluoridation. There's no conspiracy to hide that info.

[JohnH_in_OKC]

If we stop fluoridating our water, everyone who doesn't brush their teeth regularly will start looking British -- at least their teeth will!