Edmond vs. Moore

[kevinpate]

Moore has Toby Keith, Edmond has Shannon Miller. Moore > Edmond.

Toby left Moore. Didn't Shannon stay Edmond?
+1 Edmond

Toby is now in Norman, As are Bart and Nadia and Barry.
So sorry, but thanks for playing all the same.

[earlywinegareth]

Edmond, original home of the act of "going postal" and a hideously oversized Christian icon.

-2 Edmond

Next!

[EdmondBrad]

Edmond, original home of the act of "going postal" and a hideously oversized Christian icon.

-2 Edmond

Next!

earlywinegareth....No class.

[earlywinegareth]

Oh come on, it's just a game that is played over and over in this forum...OU vs oSu, OKC vs Tulsa, northside vs southside...all ridiculous.

[Spartan]

This thread reminds me of the little guy with the inferiority complex that tries to start a fight every time he goes to a bar.

I won't even mention what this thread reminds me of. But arguing between Moore and Edmond is pointless. Both are middle-class suburbs that think they're a lot better than they really are. Edmond promotes itself as an upscale residential paradise (hahaha) and Moore promotes itself as a busy commercial hub (ironic considering it's nothing more than strip malls).

[progressiveboy]

I think we should probably stop pretending that Edmond is all that different from Moore.

Perhaps Moore should stop pretending that they are different from Edmond. I would choose Edmond over Moore anyday.

[Questor]

Yeah, topics like this posted on the board you are comparing your city to really are flame bait. That being said, if you can remain dispassionate there are good things and bad things to learn about each suburb. No one place in the metro really has it all.

I like the fact that buildings and landscaping in Edmond look much nicer than in most of the metro. I like the fact that national chain restaurants and businesses are always likely to locate there. But I don't agree that Edmond's treeless parks or family-focused society offers anything of cultural significance. There are lots of churches if you are looking for that sort of fellowship, but very few pubs or fun 'hang outs' for meeting up with or finding new friends. I also like the fact that many of the new houses there have modern amenities you would find in other states, although I would by no means call any of the housing there contemporary.

I like the fact that Norman really does have a vibe all to its own, and that there are so many cool locally owned bars and restaurants to hang out at, great parks that are full trees, a vibrant university, and some sort of music or art festival almost every month of the year. But on the other hand, I think the town looks like it has been trashed by college kids. The east side is very 1980s looking, and the west side is sort of a perfect storm of money and McMansionery. I just don't find it appealing. Also, the retail is really bad in Norman. The city seemed to try to correct that with University North Park, but what they ended up with doesn't look like any Lifestyle center I have ever visited (yuck).

Suburbs like Moore, Yukon, Warr Acres, Bethany, etc. I sort of lump together... large bedroom communities with retail that appeals mostly to passers-through that do not really have much going on there. Of all of those I would probably say that Moore is the leader at the moment but I can see Yukon taking that spot as more development continues out there, although I don't know that either has much to brag about.

Midwest City is an interesting animal. Years ago there was not much going on there at all (other than the base of course) and the place looked absolutely horrible. I am not sure what happened but it is amazing the transformation that community has gone through... Could Town Center be the best retail development in the city? Possibly! I am very impressed with the logical layout of the place and the types of diverse retail attracted, and am amazed that large portions of it are so pedestrian-friendly. It is also impressive that so many "80s looking" strip malls around town are being torn down or having their facade replaced with things that look so much nicer. It has unarguably some of the strongest corporate and government activity in the state. But it still lacks what I would call evening attractions, festivals, and I do not consider the housing in the area 'adequate' although that too does seem to slowly be changing.

Some of the inner-city 'suburbs,' if they can be called that, might offer some of the best amenities. Nichols Hills has a lot of good things going for it... nice housing, good landscaping, and ever-increasing retail thanks to Chesapeake. But at the same time there is not exactly that much new housing development going on, and what is going on is largely out of reach for most people. Plus the vibe is decidedly 'gray haired.'

I actually wonder if five to ten years out if areas such as Heritage Hills or Mesta Park might not be the best places to live, if suburban life is what you are shooting for. If done correctly, I think that the rail lines that have been proposed to run from Bricktown up into those areas could make for some really interesting developments. Maybe in time those places have the best shot at becoming that ultimate suburb that so far eludes this city.

[Spartan]

I would agree that the Midwest City Town Center so far takes the prize as the most surprising and positive suburban retail development. And that Norman's University Town Center was a big failure.

[earlywinegareth]

So just so everyone remembers the #1 rule of this game: where I live > where you live. Got it? Good.

[Spartan]

So just so everyone remembers the #1 rule of this game: where I live > where you live. Got it? Good.

This is where Sparty reminds the board that he is currently living in some really awesome, far-away place, just for the benefit of those who might be playing OKC Talk Bingo. :P

[Easy180]

So just so everyone remembers the #1 rule of this game: where I live > where you live. Got it? Good.

This sums up these wars pretty well...I chose to live here so it is obviously the best in the state if not the country

[rcjunkie]

With all the "petty", Edmond's better, no Moore's better, no Norman's better, BS, I'm glad I live at Lake Tenkiller and my nearest neighborhood is 1 1/2 miles away.

P.S. If I need to shop, Walley World here I come, if I want a good burger, I light the charcoal.

[jn1780]

You gotta love an urban sprawl urination contest. Anyone who loves Moore's 19th street traffic must really love Edmond and all of its "19th streets".

[Hollywood]

Edmond would be great if the 80's era City Council thinking progressed. Our city council still maintains the same line of thinking as the one which wouldn't allow Quail Springs to be built within the city. While they will not back development say at Covell and the 35, they will allow for more Section 8 apartments. It boggles my mind. At some point things will get worse. Housing will continue to boom. But the sales tax is going to plummet in comparison allowing for services to be lackluster for the population size. You can only get so much tax from convenience stores, dry cleaners and liquor stores. Until they open their minds and look further forward than what waste of money piece of art can we buy, we are screwed.

[Spartan]

You gotta love an urban sprawl urination contest. Anyone who loves Moore's 19th street traffic must really love Edmond and all of its "19th streets".

This.

[EdmondBrad]

With all the "petty", Edmond's better, no Moore's better, no Norman's better, BS, I'm glad I live at Lake Tenkiller and my nearest neighborhood is 1 1/2 miles away.

P.S. If I need to shop, Walley World here I come, if I want a good burger, I light the charcoal.

Edmond and Moore have nothing to rival Smokehouse, Big Daddy's, Fin and Feather and Jincey's!!!

[SoonerDave]

I would respectfully suggest some of the participants on this thread go read the forum owner's "State of the Forum" message regarding civility.

Beyond that, those interested in more concrete reasons why Moore is experiencing growth should probably consider the fact that the I-35 shopping corridor that is evolving in that area is attracting one of the highest per-capita income districts in the state - far southwest Oklahoma City, in a region bounded roughly by SW 104th and Penn and extending as far south as SW 149th from May (perhaps even I-44) to Western. I think the city leaders in Moore would be the first to admit that their population base alone isn't capable of sustaining the retail growth they've seen, but as Oklahoma City in general and South OKC leaders in particular have allowed the I-240 corridor to more or less stagnate, they are glad to stand in the gap.

Why on earth this makes them better or worse than Edmond escapes me. Both areas have outstanding school systems, and each has its own benefits and drawbacks.

[rcjunkie]

Edmond and Moore have nothing to rival Smokehouse, Big Daddy's, Fin and Feather and Jincey's!!!

So true, chicken fried steak and fried okra at Jincey's and catfish at Big Daddy's

[venture]

I would respectfully suggest some of the participants on this thread go read the forum owner's "State of the Forum" message regarding civility. ....

.... Why on earth this makes them better or worse than Edmond escapes me. Both areas have outstanding school systems, and each has its own benefits and drawbacks.

Agree with your whole post...though I cut out the bulk of it in the quote. LOL

I understand there will always be some rivalries between cities and groups of people...however these are just getting ridiculous and how people on this forum are talking to each other is just uncalled for. Sometimes I wonder if people would speak the same way if Pete required us to use our full real name (instead of our usernames) and post our full address, phone number, and picture as our avatar.

Side note...I'm still waiting for the Edmond vs. Valley Brook thread.

[EdmondBrad]

Side note...I'm still waiting for the Edmond vs. Valley Brook thread.

Hahaha....now that is vexing. Why do all the great exotic dancing establishments always overlook Edmond for the Valley Brook area?!?! Maybe we could go with that utility idea....those places are always dark. We should offer to pay the electric bill. Isn't dancing considered part of the art/culture scene?

[td25er]

Yeah, topics like this posted on the board you are comparing your city to really are flame bait. That being said, if you can remain dispassionate there are good things and bad things to learn about each suburb. No one place in the metro really has it all.

I like the fact that buildings and landscaping in Edmond look much nicer than in most of the metro. I like the fact that national chain restaurants and businesses are always likely to locate there. But I don't agree that Edmond's treeless parks or family-focused society offers anything of cultural significance. There are lots of churches if you are looking for that sort of fellowship, but very few pubs or fun 'hang outs' for meeting up with or finding new friends. I also like the fact that many of the new houses there have modern amenities you would find in other states, although I would by no means call any of the housing there contemporary.

I like the fact that Norman really does have a vibe all to its own, and that there are so many cool locally owned bars and restaurants to hang out at, great parks that are full trees, a vibrant university, and some sort of music or art festival almost every month of the year. But on the other hand, I think the town looks like it has been trashed by college kids. The east side is very 1980s looking, and the west side is sort of a perfect storm of money and McMansionery. I just don't find it appealing. Also, the retail is really bad in Norman. The city seemed to try to correct that with University North Park, but what they ended up with doesn't look like any Lifestyle center I have ever visited (yuck).

Suburbs like Moore, Yukon, Warr Acres, Bethany, etc. I sort of lump together... large bedroom communities with retail that appeals mostly to passers-through that do not really have much going on there. Of all of those I would probably say that Moore is the leader at the moment but I can see Yukon taking that spot as more development continues out there, although I don't know that either has much to brag about.

Midwest City is an interesting animal. Years ago there was not much going on there at all (other than the base of course) and the place looked absolutely horrible. I am not sure what happened but it is amazing the transformation that community has gone through... Could Town Center be the best retail development in the city? Possibly! I am very impressed with the logical layout of the place and the types of diverse retail attracted, and am amazed that large portions of it are so pedestrian-friendly. It is also impressive that so many "80s looking" strip malls around town are being torn down or having their facade replaced with things that look so much nicer. It has unarguably some of the strongest corporate and government activity in the state. But it still lacks what I would call evening attractions, festivals, and I do not consider the housing in the area 'adequate' although that too does seem to slowly be changing.

Some of the inner-city 'suburbs,' if they can be called that, might offer some of the best amenities. Nichols Hills has a lot of good things going for it... nice housing, good landscaping, and ever-increasing retail thanks to Chesapeake. But at the same time there is not exactly that much new housing development going on, and what is going on is largely out of reach for most people. Plus the vibe is decidedly 'gray haired.'

I actually wonder if five to ten years out if areas such as Heritage Hills or Mesta Park might not be the best places to live, if suburban life is what you are shooting for. If done correctly, I think that the rail lines that have been proposed to run from Bricktown up into those areas could make for some really interesting developments. Maybe in time those places have the best shot at becoming that ultimate suburb that so far eludes this city.

This is an ignorant statement. Treeless parks? Just wow.

[Questor]

Fine maybe I overstated that. The parks in west Edmond are treeless. Only some of the parks are treeless in old Edmond.

[EdmondBrad]

Fine maybe I overstated that. The parks in west Edmond are treeless. Only some of the parks are treeless in old Edmond.

Which parks are those?

[Questor]

The ones in my neighborhood when I lived there? Edmond goes almost clear out west to the LHP, it doesn't stop at Broadway. Anyway wish everyone wouldn't get so hung up on one little statement out of paragraphs and paragraphs that I wrote. The whole point of the post, which people are missing, is that all okc suburbs have both their good and bad points and that because of that there is no reason to get defensive... Rather we should all learn about each other's Burb and try to better our own.

[EdmondBrad]

The ones in my neighborhood when I lived there? Edmond goes almost clear out west to the LHP, it doesn't stop at Broadway. Anyway wish everyone wouldn't get so hung up on one little statement out of paragraphs and paragraphs that I wrote. The whole point of the post, which people are missing, is that all okc suburbs have both their good and bad points and that because of that there is no reason to get defensive... Rather we should all learn about each other's Burb and try to better our own.

Most of the west boundary of Edmond is just past Santa Fe. It goes as far as Pennsylvania but only along Covell. The school district boundary is a different story. There are no Edmond parks west of Santa Fe. Your "tree-less" parks may actually be OKC parks.