Procure

**OKCTalker** · 07-10-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by bombermwc

OKCTalker - this is why I said they didn't play nice in the same box. They may be perfectly nice people on an individual basis, but that doesnt mean they don't let their egos get in the way when deals are to be made. I had the fortune of hearing it from both sides, so I still consider the ProCure people to be the "fault" side.

Next time you decide to show your own butt, why dont you keep it to yourself.

Bomber - Don't try to call me out (whatever "show your own butt" means) when I'm taking the OP to task for throwing rocks at a risky, ambitious project that improves individual lives and our local economy while imposing virtually no risk on the rest of us. The OP was being critical of ProCure because he clearly doesn't like the a lead investor, and because the other investors "have an ego problem." Most others in this thread joined me with citing the myriad reasons that this a good deal.

As to keeping my butt to myself (or whatever), you and I share the same rights of free expression, both in this country and on this board. So nanny nanny boo boo.

Back to the topic.

**bombermwc** · 07-10-2009, 11:42 AM

Whatev....anyway....

The problem still persists that in order for ProCure to remain profitable, they are going to have to herd people in like cattle. The problem is, insurance doesn't typically like this treatment because it's not widely applicable. It is only applicable to a narrow range of situations. Prostate happens to be one of those cases. However, the traditional methods remain just as effective and are much cheaper. The cost per patient in proton therapy is very high in comparison to traditional radition therapy with something like an accelerator. OU was going to have this whether ProCure decided to partner with them or not. Yeah, so they opened their doors first, big whoop. They opened the doors with a single room available. If you're familiar with how these systems work, then you know that you HAVE to have more than one room for it to be profitiable. It doesn't make any sense to only utilize 1 room. The fact that they are going to take 9 more months to get up to full capacity will hurt their pocket book. That's 9 months of missed revenue.

Again, OU doesn't have to worry about the revenue stream because of the MUCH larger support base of financing. They can go for years without being at full capacity and not bat an eye.

I'd like to know how the thing is supposed to end up on the 10th floor of OU though. There is so much equipment that goes below the treatment room, not to mention the weight of the shielding and all the other equipment that accompanies a proton system, it would take up 2 floors at that height rather than being in the traditional lowest floor level...ie basement.

**Patrick** · 07-12-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by bombermwc

I'd like to know how the thing is supposed to end up on the 10th floor of OU though. There is so much equipment that goes below the treatment room, not to mention the weight of the shielding and all the other equipment that accompanies a proton system, it would take up 2 floors at that height rather than being in the traditional lowest floor level...ie basement.

The main cancer building will only be 7 stories. From my understanding, the proton therapy center will be in a small building, directly connected on the east side of the OU Cancer Institute building. Will be between the Cancer Building and the Family Medicine Center.

**Patrick** · 07-12-2009, 07:44 PM

Here's a pic of the OU Cancer Institute. I think the proton center will be in the building on the left side of the picture:

**Centerback** · 07-13-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Patrick

It's actually owned by Integris.

Procure is NOT owned by Integris, there is a healthcare partnership in place. The Integris Cancer Institute is under construction directly west of the Procure facility.

**BG918** · 07-13-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Centerback

Procure is NOT owned by Integris, there is a healthcare partnership in place. The Integris Cancer Institute is under construction directly west of the Procure facility.

That is correct. Procure and Integris have partnered to share resources for this particular project. Procure will offer the proton therapy and Integris will supplement that with more traditional treatments i.e. linear accelerator, high dose rate, as well as simulation, MRI, CT/PET, etc.

**Patrick** · 07-13-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by BG918

That is correct. Procure and Integris have partnered to share resources for this particular project. Procure will offer the proton therapy and Integris will supplement that with more traditional treatments i.e. linear accelerator, high dose rate, as well as simulation, MRI, CT/PET, etc.

Yup, that's correct. It's a partnership between the two. Procure is a separate company.