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Thread: Severe Weather Risk - 3/23/2009 (Monday)

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    Morning all...stupid volcano erupting kept me up last night, so a bit of a slow start today. I won't do another run down of all images and text until around 1PM or so. Quick version though of what I see so far...

    Moisture transport from the Gulf began last night pretty big and that is what is going on outside. Low stratus deck is helping to maintain dewpoints in the upper 50s for nearly all of Oklahoma except far west and the panhandle where the dryline has already passed (in the 20s out there). The other major key we have today is the heating that will be needed to bust the cap. The inversion is going to be pretty tough today, but if we get some sun that should help. If the sun doesn't heat it up enough, we'll remain capped until this evening when the main forcing (cold front) plows through the area...bringing the squall line with it.

    Currently on vis imagery, which you see in my first post, you can make the dryline out a bit - it is the back edge of the clouds out west. Looks like development of a CU field is under way out there, though it isn't really extensive. Short term models are having a bit of trouble this morning, but we'll see what happens. One has the initiation around 8PM in West Central OK around Weatherford/Clinton, developing fast into a broken line from that point north and moving due east. However, close to early tomorrow morning development fires up all the way south into West Texas along the dryline/cold front taking the squall line through our area as late as 9-10AM on Tuesday. I think the timing is off a bit...but we'll see.

    Another model has initiation in roughly the same area, just a bit further south to like Cordell up through Ponca around 4PM with strong-severe convection from Ponca to El Reno to north of Lawton by 7PM. That model though has convection quickly fading away by 10-11PM, which obviously won't happen. So pretty much we are in wait and see mode, but the models give us some hints on when to start watching and what we can expect.

    Now your questions Thunder...

    1. How can moisture magically jump over such a vast area and be in northern area?

    A lot of it has to do with other dynamics, but moisture specifically can be mixed out faster in other areas. The risk area will continue to move around depending on who gets the best heating, where moisture stays in place, and where any dryline bulges may form to provide the best lift.

    2. Why would the moderate risk only be a smaller portion of the northern area while the dryline actually extends all the way down south?

    Risk areas are defined where the greatest probability is for each category. Hail/Tornado/Wind are all broken down. One area will have a higher tornado risk usually that will push the Risk Category up. It is all dependent on dynamics and the whole 15 pieces of the puzzle coming together for this one thing to happen. Farther north will have a higher risk today due to more forcing and greater dynamics. Farther south will have a lower one because the tornado risk is not as great, and a squall line with some wind and hail is the main expected threat.

    3. Isn't the energy actually coming up from the south/southwest?

    The main storm system is in the Central/Northern Plains. There will be shortwave coming across the area from the west today. Then you have the moisture that is coming in from the gulf. So really, you have to look everywhere and everything has to fit together just right for A, B, and C to happen.

    Seeing a tornado up close is definitely a rush, but is also sobering when you see it in a populated area.

  2. #27

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    Very Dynamic system. Hopefully these low clouds will clear out soon so we can get some heat/fuel. I just noticed that some areas of Nebraska and South Dakota are under both a Tornado watch and a Blizzard warning. Thats going to make for an interesting day for them!!!


  3. #28

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    INCREASING CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT IN A N-S BAND ACROSS THE CENTRAL
    THIRD OF KS AND INTO NWRN OK WILL REQUIRE WW ISSUANCE SOON.

  4. #29

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    looking at radar, looks like a couple trying to go up out west along the dryline.
    anyone have links to good spotter site with audio and video?

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    http://tornadovideos.net/full-screen-chaser-video.php

    They are the only ones that seem to be out today.

    Initial activity to the west is attempting to get going, but the cap is going to be a pain for right now. 18Z sounding hasn't load as of yet, so once we get that, we'll be able to see what is going on upstairs and if this stuff will be sustainable or if we'll have to wait.

  6. #31

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    Tornader Watch (sorry, watched Cars this weekend) has been issued for Northern Oklahoma...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod4soonrs View Post
    looking at radar, looks like a couple trying to go up out west along the dryline.
    anyone have links to good spotter site with audio and video?
    Try these: SevereStudios.com | The World Eyes & Ears For Severe Weather! here is a link to their chase cams
    Live Storm Chase Video Network | SevereStudios.com another site: Tornado Xtreme Chase: Tornadoes extreme storm chase

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    The details...

    URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
    TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 54
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    105 PM CDT MON MAR 23 2009

    THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
    TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

    LARGE PART OF CENTRAL KANSAS
    PARTS OF NORTHERN OKLAHOMA

    EFFECTIVE THIS MONDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 105 PM UNTIL 700
    PM CDT.

    TORNADOES...HAIL TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

    THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 65 STATUTE MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 35 MILES NORTHEAST OF CONCORDIA KANSAS TO 15 MILES SOUTHEAST OF ENID OKLAHOMA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU4).

    REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

    OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 53...

    DISCUSSION...HEATING HAS DISSIPATED THE INHIBITION ALONG THE DRY LINE ALLOWING SURFACE BASED CONVECTION TO DEVELOP ALONG WRN EDGE OF WATCH. WITH VERY FAVORABLE DEEP LAYER SHEAR AND ADEQUATE INSTABILITY SUPERCELLS ARE LIKELY TO DEVELOP AS STORMS INCREASE IN NUMBER ALONG DRY LINE. IN ADDITION TO DAMAGING WINDS AND LARGE HAIL...TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE WITH ANY SUPERCELL.


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    If that line out west gets going, look for it to back build to the sw, and start moving east, with individual storms moving NE, if this starts happening, look for another tornado watch to be issued further south and west from the current one. Figure we give it 'til 330-400pm, if it forms a solid line, tornado threat will be diminished, and severe t-storm watch is the likely way they will go.

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    I don't think the current activity will amount to anything. It is really struggling and nothing is able to break the cap yet. I would expect the 5-7PM time frame or later to stick for anything to really get cranking.

  11. #36

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    Looks like the storms out west are trying to organize a bit, either way, with the speed at which they are moving, and lack of sun here in the central part of the state, think this will be a squall line event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod4soonrs View Post
    Looks like the storms out west are trying to organize a bit, either way, with the speed at which they are moving, and lack of sun here in the central part of the state, think this will be a squall line event.
    It is March, I wouldn't expect anything less. With that said, sun will be coming out shortly here in the area - most of central Oklahoma is already under clear to partly cloudy skies.

    However the current activity is junk. The cap is holding strong and we'll have to wait until later for anything - unless one of the storms can break through (the storm near Seiling is trying). The one good thing so far, moisture hasn't mixed out as much as some had feared and dews are holding in the upper 50s and even some 60-61 readings now.

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    Activity in Major County is showing signs of being able to get established. This storm is in the watch area now and will be the one to watch for now.

    UPDATE 3:24PM: No major changes with the outlook. Moderate risk still comes down to northern Oklahoma and Canadian Counties. Storm complex in Grant and Alfalfa counties is now severe warned. Hails looks marginal at best right now. Dryline continues to march east, but has slowed as expected. Most of central OK is now baking pretty well under clear/PC skies. Dews are steady in the mid 50s to near 60 in most areas.

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    Thx, Venture.

    I also want to note that the KFOR's graphic posted was changed (it is linked as they replaced the graphic).

    KOCO's back with the LIVEBLOGGING THE STORMS!

    KOCO.com - Weather Blog

    Send them an email (weather@koco.com) with anything you witness (pix is great too) to them and Ryan will get them posted. There is comments to read and post.

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    Check out the Interactive Radar!

    Oklahoma City Weather, Oklahoma Weather, Forecast & Weather Maps - KOCO Oklahoma City's Channel 5

    If that link doesn't work, then go to Oklahoma City Weather, Oklahoma Weather, Forecast & Weather Maps - KOCO Oklahoma City's Channel 5 and click on Interactive.

    There are neat things that can be done with the radar!

    Right now, it looks like storms is trying to fire up a bit south/southwest of the metro. If successful, it could be really deadly! Seems so far these have the potential to be supercells.

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    Thunder since you seem to really get into this stuff...check out GRLevelX Main Page. You can trial the software for 21-days. I think you may really enjoy that. I use GRLevel2 Analyst Edition which really gets into the high res stuff, but GRLevel3 is pretty much all your basic data that you see online. If you need any help with, feel free to hit me up.

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    21 days trial? Maybe there is a serial/registration key sumwhere to unlock it forever. lol

    Dang straight, I luv all of this! I wanted to take up stormchasing and go to school for it. I emailed all the stations a few years ago, asking if they would hire a deaf dude. I got no response, so the dream was buried. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    21 days trial? Maybe there is a serial/registration key sumwhere to unlock it forever. lol

    Dang straight, I luv all of this! I wanted to take up stormchasing and go to school for it. I emailed all the stations a few years ago, asking if they would hire a deaf dude. I got no response, so the dream was buried. lol
    The developer's name is Mike and he is on their forums every day. All user input is how he puts the program together. It is probably the most affordable radar program you'll ever find for what it can actually do. Stealing it isn't really the right way to respect the author of this product.

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    I know. I'm just used to getting everything for free. lol

    I'll save the trial for when a day comes to be really promising for an outbreak.

  20. #45

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    line developing west of metro, looks like squall line will be the result, tornado risk will deminish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod4soonrs View Post
    line developing west of metro, looks like squall line will be the result, tornado risk will deminish.
    So quick to dismiss the tornado threat, as marginal as it is. Any isolated surface based storms will still carry a tornado threat until line solidifies and storms get outflow dominant. Should have a watch in the next 1-2 hours.

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    If they were farther apart, I'd be more excited at the possibility of tornadoes, but with them forming in a line, they will choke each other off, and with the sun setting in a couple hrs, they will lose the heating of the day. Never the less the local tv stations will continue the hype, break out the drinking games.

  23. #48

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    New MD is out, mentions tornado threat extending south.

    Storm Prediction Center Mesoscale Discussion 242

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    Looks like tornado threat sticks pretty well with the 20Z Outlook. Main risk shouldn't go much further south than I-40, though some nice backing of the winds all ahead of the dryline. Spacing of storms isn't horrible, but the key is going to be getting them surface based which will be a little rough.

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    Warnings for Oklahoma, Oklahoma : Weather Underground

    There's your tornader watch for ya Venture!

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