New problems for OKC's National preception

[onthestrip]

The worst part of this story is that she refuses to apologize. Has no one learned, in America, if you admit wrongdoing and apologize, everyone will think much better of you and usually forgive you.

[mheaton76]

Cheers, Doug! I really believe the effort that we put into Oklahoma City and our State to is totally worth it. Sally Kern's style of politics obviously seeks to divide, but I don't think she will not have the last word - there are way to many decent people out there for that to happen.

Hey Dustbowl, sign me up too, JK.



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[fromdust]

Someone needs to run against that f_wit. Her district has a lot of black, latino and working class. Looks like a great Dem pickup to me. Kern seems to represent what's left of the Repub Party today. Completely philosophically bankrupt. I'm sure the numerous citizens in her house district who are worrying about foreclosures, $4 gas and the coming recession are really focused on the "gay agenda." By the way, she insulted a powerful and affluent group that is motivated enough to mount a campaign against her. I'm one district over or I would consider running against her. It would be the easiest campaign this cycle.

"Completely philosophically bankrupt"? i agree, but are u implying the dems are better? if you are, wow! dont get me wrong,im not saying that repubs are great or anything i hate both. i think they are one in the same.

[soonerguru]

fromdust,

Time will tell if you're right about the Dems. Perhaps they will join the Repubs in the dustbin. At least, currently, they don't favor overturning the Bill of Rights, reason enough for me and others to support them. Oh, and they're not Republicans.

Doug, small complaint: It's not the "Democrat Party." It's the Democratic Party. Could you be a member of the "Republic Party?"

[Doug Loudenback]

fromdust,

Time will tell if you're right about the Dems. Perhaps they will join the Repubs in the dustbin. At least, currently, they don't favor overturning the Bill of Rights, reason enough for me and others to support them. Oh, and they're not Republicans.

Doug, small complaint: It's not the "Democrat Party." It's the Democratic Party. Could you be a member of the "Republic Party?"

Would that be the party of Lincoln that, as a child, I once thought existed? That's been so long ago that it's a distant memory now and hard to remember what it once might have been called. Anyway, point taken.

[so1rfan]

If she said she thought all gays should be burned at the stake I could understand, but what she said was she felt that they were a threat to American values. If you insert "Communism" where "Gay" was, would you have a problem with what she said?

"The Communist party agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact,” Kern is heard saying on a YouTube audio segment. "I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.”

What if you insert "African-American", "Hispanic", "Jewish",or "Asian" where "Gay" was? Would you have a problem with what she said?

[okcpulse]

I wouldn't lose much sleep over this in the long term if I were you. She's a village idiot. Most here in Houston haven't heard anything about this yet, and those that did here about it believes she is a small time representative that obviously won't go far in her political career.

[Doug Loudenback]

Here's the editorial in today's Oklahoman at Clipped: Lawmaker's stance not a surprise | NewsOK.com :

Clipped: Lawmaker's stance not a surprise
The Oklahoman Editorial

STATE Rep. Sally Kern's remarks about gays were callous and wrong, and have brought her the sort of attention few seek or relish. What they weren't is surprising, given her history in the Legislature.

Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said homosexuality is this country's greatest threat, "even more so than terrorists or Islam.” She said it's "just a fact” that "the homosexuality agenda is destroying this nation.” Her remarks to a small GOP group were recorded and sent to a national gay and lesbian organization that posted them on the Internet last week. By Monday afternoon, the clip had been played more than 300,000 times.

Kern has been bombarded with e-mails and phone messages, many of them hateful and ugly. But she's offered no apology, saying she was talking about gay activists who target conservative Republicans. (Those activists, it should be noted, often resort to similarly extreme and incendiary arguments, usually without recrimination.)

Most of Kern's headlines at the Capitol have come in the ideological arena. During her first year in the House, 2005, she pushed to have librarians restrict children's access to books with homosexual themes. The next year, she worked to have state funding pulled from libraries that didn't remove such books from the kids' section.

That same year, the former school teacher tried to wade into science class and protect teachers and students who wished to discuss theories other than evolution. This session, she's among the authors of a bill that would let students express their religious beliefs in homework and other assignments without threat of discrimination.

Kern would probably be better off focusing on issues that truly require the Legislature's attention, instead of engaging in ideological combat. But this clearly is her inclination, and so far it hasn't hurt her a bit politically — when she sought re-election two years ago, she ran unopposed.

[jbrown84]

What if you insert "African-American", "Hispanic", "Jewish",or "Asian" where "Gay" was? Would you have a problem with what she said?

EXACTLY.

EVEN IF she was taken out of context and was saying that the "gay agenda" is worse than terrorism, that's still a dubious statement. At worst--according to her conspiracy theory--they are brainwashing 2 year olds to be gay in the schools (absolutely ridiculous BTW).

That's worse than someone coming into the school and blowing it up?????????????

HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW???

[soonerguru]

I read somewhere that her own son is gay. Was this snark or is this for real? Anyone know? I have no idea. That might explain the depth of her hysteria and vitriol. I had a friend come out to his deeply religious southern Baptist mother and she wouldn't even talk to him for three years (God's love at work). Over time, and after a lengthy addiction to pharmaceuticals, she got over it.

[Lord Helmet]

I just don't get people like this. I simply can't wrap my brain around why I should give a crap what someones sexual preference is, or why its my business at all. Treating someone as a lesser person because of sexual preference is similar to mindless racism imho.

We're all just people, people

[solitude]

Wow, that Oklahoman editorial surprised me. They actually said Kern was wrong to say it. Times are changing at the hometown paper.

[windowphobe]

I read somewhere that her own son is gay. Was this snark or is this for real? Anyone know? I have no idea.

Snark. It is not true. Somebody turned up, via search engine, someone with the same name who was, and jumped to an unwarranted conclusion.

[venture]

I'm with Solitude, the Oklahoman editorial shocked me. However, their divorced partner (News 9) and Kelly Ogle especially, definitely seems happy to stress that "she has received a lot of support too."

[soonerguru]

Kelly Ogle's synapses fire very slowly. I'll never forget his big two cents about those rinky-dink model airplane things that Iraq was going to use to destroy America. He definitely drinks all the Bush koolaid.

[Bob&Frank&Ted&Bob&Alice]

Roflmbf Ao

[jbrown84]

Snark. It is not true. Somebody turned up, via search engine, someone with the same name who was, and jumped to an unwarranted conclusion.

No, it is true. A friend of mine went to college with him.

[windowphobe]

Show him this:

The McCarville Report Online: Kern's Son Puts The Lie To The Lie

[bkm645]

I am surprised that there have been no supporters of hers to post.
Well I for one do support her, she does not hate the gays, she simply does not approve of their actions.
The comment about the gay agenda being worse than terrorism is true because when you destroy the social factor that holds nations together, the family, you will destroy the nation. When there is no nation, then who is going to care about the terrorist?

[okclee]

^^ I am speechless to your post. Unbelievable.

[PapaJack]

Believe it. There are probably many people who agree with Kern (I PERSONALLY DO NOT) and they have an equal right to their beliefs as you do to any of yours. Perception is reality (Mick Cornett 2008). Kern’s beliefs are based on her perception of reality. The opinions expressed on this blog represent only the reality impressions of those who participate.

My question is, where are the comments from gays who have conservative values? They must as surely exist as the liberal gays noted by Kern. Are all gays liberals? I think not.

I do believe a decline in family values is harmful to our nation, but I also think the term “family” includes gays, singles, celebates, all of God’s children. I also expect my opinions to generate backlash comments, like Kern’s have.

[bkm645]

^^ I am speechless to your post. Unbelievable.

Can you give me a nation that accepted such sin that has survived? Kern and I have the same agenda; to keep this country strong as long as we can. A country cannot survive with no moral rule. Just like what George Washington said "It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." The Bible has been for centuries the moral rule that governed this nation and without a moral code what happens? Can we say that what Kevin Underwood did was wrong? With no moral code he did just what he perceived to be acceptable.

[BDP]

The comment about the gay agenda being worse than terrorism is true because when you destroy the social factor that holds nations together, the family, you will destroy the nation.

1) The factor that holds the nation together is called the Constitution. And it is a document based on the idea that a limited form of government based on democracy is the best way to provide and protect the civil liberties of the citizens which it governs. The country is not held together by families, it is held together by an ideal of individual freedom. You are FREE to from a family, but you are not required to do so in any way and your rights as a citizen are not and should not be based on doing so.

2) The Gay "agenda" does not destroy families in any way. Divorce does. Intolerance towards the beliefs and lifestyles of family members can destroy the family. I do not have any gay people that I know of in my family, but I do know that if any one of them were gay, that fact alone would NOT in any way make them less family to me and I would love them just as much and support them in their life choices. THAT is what a family is.

The truth is that Sally Kern and her movement are the biggest threat to this country because they want to replace our liberal government with a rigid theocracy that bases people's rights on their adherence to a lifestyle dictated by personal mystical beliefs (of course, it is always about their mysticism and not someone else's) and use government assets to indoctrinate the citizens with their beliefs. That is not freedom. That is not America. And, if you really want to be honest here, that is the EXACT model for governance that religious extremist groups believe in, some of which of used terrorist acts to attack our culture,. In that sense, Sally Kern is closer in ideals to Islamic terrorists than any part of the so-called gay agenda is.

[OU Adonis]

I am surprised that there have been no supporters of hers to post.
Well I for one do support her, she does not hate the gays, she simply does not approve of their actions.
The comment about the gay agenda being worse than terrorism is true because when you destroy the social factor that holds nations together, the family, you will destroy the nation. When there is no nation, then who is going to care about the terrorist?

This board is extremely left leaning BKM, they pretty much jump on any conservative view point here. You are just fighting an uphill battle.

[oneforone]

I am not saying I support Sally Kern. In fact I think what you do in the bedroom and who your do it with is your business. The only time it is anyone else's or the government's business is when someone has been forced or their underage.

Anyway on to my point.....

For every one out there with bruised pride over this (or any Oklahoma image issue for that matter) needs to get over it. Do you think the people of Los Angeles, New York, or anywhere else in the US care what we thinkg of them?

NO

Why should we care? Part of being adult is learing to laugh at yourself and taking an occasional jab from strangers.

Maybe Mayor McCheese should look at bringing Tony Robbins to the Ford Center if the NBA does not come to town. Many of the people of OKC could use some therapy.

In the words of Jack Nicholson in Batman "This town needs an enema".

Losen up... take the criticism like a grain of salt.