United States City stadiums and arenas--proposed and upgrades.

[Mountaingoat]

Denver's going to be building a new dome for the Broncos but it's still a few years out..

[Laramie]

Denver's going to be building a new dome for the Broncos but it's still a few years out..

Thanks Bro,

Are the Broncos on the way to getting a new stadium?



Denver–Aurora–Centennial, CO MSA 3,005,131

[floyd the barber]

No reasonable person would vote to finance a new Jacksonville Jaguars stadium. They have low attendance, they play a lot of games overseas, and they've been bad pretty much their entire existence.

[BoulderSooner]

No reasonable person would vote to finance a new Jacksonville Jaguars stadium. They have low attendance, they play a lot of games overseas, and they've been bad pretty much their entire existence.

the 14 people that matter already did

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...erbank-stadium

[Mr. XXL]

Once OKC can afford to invest in a translucent roof stadium to land one of these big events and entice OU and OSU to commit some non conference games in our city.

There's no way the powers that be in Stillwater or Norman would agree with this. The cities need the revenue that visitors bring in during a home game. Why on earth would they give that up for anything in OKC?

[floyd the barber]

the 14 people that matter already did

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...erbank-stadium

Ridiculous.

[HOT ROD]

Spot on Bison34 about education and luring Fortune 500 companies. We have one major university within a 50 mile radius of OKC. I envy Raleigh, NC they have Duke, North Carolina State and North Carolina all within a 50 mile radius of Raleigh.

Actually 2. OSU is 45 miles away.

Anyway, I personaly think OKC's focus should continue to be on the NBA, being the shining beacon for the small markets. Once the arena and stadium is built and OKC hosts the Olympics is complete, I think the city (in 2028ish) could expand its pro sports focus to the MLS. By then OKC should have metro area pop above 1.7 million - perfect for two sports esp considering MLS is sort of the lesser when considering the Big 4 major leagues. With the stadium and great ownership, we should be more than able to support MLS with no impact to the NBA in about 3 years.

After that - we should go after the NFL but that will take a new stadium as mentioned. Honestly, OKC should plan NOW on making the MAPS Stadium where it could be expanded significantly into an NFL stadium in the future. Once OKC passes 2 million metro - we should be able to support NBA, NFL, and MLS. To me that's the sweet spot and I think we can start to make that a reality in 2035 once the NBA Arena collection has passed, the city could do a Stadium MAPS to expand the MAPS Soccer stadium into an NFL/MLS dome hopefully less expensive by capitalizing on the current effort.

I don't forsee the other leagues unless the OKC Thunder ownership develop an interest/deal with MLB and/or perhaps the WNBA. ... NHL to me is a no-go in OKC due to timing with the NBA, leave that for potential major league team for Tulsa once they reach above 1.2 million.

[Laramie]

There's no way the powers that be in Stillwater or Norman would agree with this. The cities need the revenue that visitors bring in during a home game. Why on earth would they give that up for anything in OKC?

True about OSU because they aren't able to cultivate the kindness of Boone Pickens' generosity as a fall back; also OU is tightening their belt as well.

I'm not sure what support the UTSA contributes to the Alamodome; they occupied the dome in 2011 to present some 18 years after it opened in 1993. The more events you can secure equates to more Hotel-Motel occupancy use in our city. Our city will need more hotels once you build an indoor stadium.

Like I mentioned, San Antonio opened their dome in 1993 when they had 1.3 million in their MSA. Our city has close to1.5 million now --projected to have close to 1.7 million in 2030 cited by HotRod.

OKC's location (I-35/I-40 crossroads) is ideal for a stadium.

Although I don't have any figures to support a 'basic bare bones minimum' indoor stadium similar to the Alamo City or the Dome of America in St. Louis, you can anticipate $600 million--that's probably what we should be looking at (SA and/or STL) as soon as the debt on the new arena is close to pay off. MAPS 4 expires in 2028 the new DT arena will require a 72 month loan (6 years) to pay off around 2034.

How would OKC pay for a $600 million indoor stadium:

Phase 1: 2025 bonds (open air outdoor stadium 40,000 seat stadium $300 million), some hotel-motel tax revenue earmarked for expansion, Naming-rights revenue money directed for stadium only and

Phase II: 2034 MAPS 4 extension ($300 million) to complete the stadium eventually seating 75,000 with a roof.

[April in the Plaza]

We’re done paying for new stadiums and/or arenas since the RTA is taking the place of MAPS. Politically, it won’t be possible to do RTA and MAPS. Sales tax is already very high as it is.

[BoulderSooner]

We’re done paying for new stadiums and/or arenas since the RTA is taking the place of MAPS. Politically, it won’t be possible to do RTA and MAPS. Sales tax is already very high as it is.

lol that is what transit folks want it does not have city wide backing ... .. MAPS is not going anywhere ..

[PhiAlpha]

But we could have decided a better use for $1 billion to put to a vote. MAPS were never for 1 project. This is essentially MAPS for 1 project. I know it passed, but if it were for 8 projects, it would have passed. Now? I don't know if the next one will pass. A lot of people felt strong-armed into voting yes. So they did it to keep the Thunder, not necessarily to get a new arena.

LOL. So many people felt strong armed into voting yes that it easily passed at over 70% and much of that 70% were excited to vote for it. If anything, that vote showed how small JoBeth Hamas’s vocal minority is. We’ve been passing MAPS votes for 31 years now…if the projects make sense, the proposals will pass but regardless we just passed a MAPS vote a little over 4 years ago and just passed a billion dollar arena proposal…let’s chill on freaking out about another one not passing until at least a few of the project we voted for are completed.

[Plutonic Panda]

Just as a note, from what I read the new Las Vegas NBA arena and resort has kind of fell through. Well, not exactly, but they’re looking for a new site now.

If anyone has the disposable income and wants to see an implosion, which probably won’t happen for sometime again in Vegas, the Tropicana is coming down within the next couple weeks. That is where the Oakland a stadium will be built.

[BDP]

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

Just so you know, there was MAPS for KIDS that passed in 2001, which was a $700 million package for educational facilities. That's $1.2 billion today adjusted for inflation. That was after passing the first MAPS initiative which spent $245 Million (adjusted) on an arena with no major tenant or even prospective one.

Since then, OKC has passed an $835 MM ($1.23 Billion adjusted) Bond measure in 2007 and a $967 MM ($1.25 billion adjusted) one in 2017. These were used for maintaining and improving infrastructure. The city also passed MAPS 3 ($777 Million in 2009) and Maps 4 ($978 Million in 2019) in that time.

The first MAPS program was $350 million in 1993 ($772 Million Adjusted).

Opponents of MAPS have used the "we could have used that money for x, y, z" argument every time. Yet we have continued to spent that amount of money on x, y, and z.

And just to do the math, if the goal of investing public money is luring fortune 500 companies, and we could have just used a billion dollars to do that, well, since MAPS started, we've spent over $3 billion in 2024 numbers on infrastructure and educational facilities. I don't think we've lured any fortune 500 company here in that time, but it has created a better quality of life and a better economy that has led us to where the city is now economically vs when it all started in 1993. At this point, if you think this was a failure or misguided, it just lets anyone who was around in 1993 know that you weren't.

[BoulderSooner]

Just so you know, there was MAPS for KIDS that passed in 2001, which was a $700 million package for educational facilities. That's $1.2 billion today adjusted for inflation. That was after passing the first MAPS initiative which spent $245 Million (adjusted) on an arena with no major tenant or even prospective one.

Since then, OKC has passed an $835 MM ($1.23 Billion adjusted) Bond measure in 2007 and a $967 MM ($1.25 billion adjusted) one in 2017. These were used for maintaining and improving infrastructure. The city also passed MAPS 3 ($777 Million in 2009) and Maps 4 ($978 Million in 2019) in that time.

The first MAPS program was $350 million in 1993 ($772 Million Adjusted).

Opponents of MAPS have used the "we could have used that money for x, y, z" argument every time. Yet we have continued to spent that amount of money on x, y, and z.

And just to do the math, if the goal of investing public money is luring fortune 500 companies, and we could have just used a billion dollars to do that, well, since MAPS started, we've spent over $3 billion in 2024 numbers on infrastructure and educational facilities. I don't think we've lured any fortune 500 company here in that time, but it has created a better quality of life and a better economy that has led us to where the city is now economically vs when it all started in 1993. At this point, if you think this was a failure or misguided, it just lets anyone who was around in 1993 know that you weren't.

continental resources was lured to OKC (just out side the 500) both it and devon would not be in OKC with out maps .

[Swake]

MAPS for jails?

[Laramie]

[Dob Hooligan]

@Laramie…I have to mention the as soon as I click out of this Forum group, I will be at the main Forums page, and the first thing shown above is County Jail. I’m a life long sports fiend. But, I’m getting “Stadium Fatigue”. I’m all for the Thunder Arena and all we can spend on it. But, if we don’t get moving on the Jail I fully expect the US Department of Justice will sue us and we will wind up with a Consent Decree that will force us to build a jail that will cost over $1 billion.

[April in the Plaza]

@Laramie…I have to mention the as soon as I click out of this Forum group, I will be at the main Forums page, and the first thing shown above is County Jail. I’m a life long sports fiend. But, I’m getting “Stadium Fatigue”. I’m all for the Thunder Arena and all we can spend on it. But, if we don’t get moving on the Jail I fully expect the US Department of Justice will sue us and we will wind up with a Consent Decree that will force us to build a jail that will cost over $1 billion.

yeah, that's not really in anyone's budget these days. i know a lot of folks are against privitization for a variety of reasons, but assuming that it is legal for the county to do so, it might be time for the Airport Trust to work a ground lease with Core Civic (or the Geo Group, etc.) and let those guys cook.

no way they could run a jail worse than the county is "running" the current version.

[Swake]

yeah, that's not really in anyone's budget these days. i know a lot of folks are against privitization for a variety of reasons, but assuming that it is legal for the county to do so, it might be time for the Airport Trust to work a ground lease with Core Civic (or the Geo Group, etc.) and let those guys cook.

no way they could run a jail worse than the county is "running" the current version.

The Federal Court and DOJ will not care about your "budget". If the county will not solve the problem, they will, regardless of anyone's budget.

[April in the Plaza]

The Federal Court and DOJ will not care about your "budget". If the county will not solve the problem, they will, regardless of anyone's budget.

Wasn’t arguing that point but go off, lil bro.

[Laramie]

Where ever they build the county jail, there's going to be the NIMBY opposition. Nobody wants to see the next county jail morphed into a death tower.

Today's Sunday Oklahoman has some interesting articles about our city's future: 'Lost in annexation, How big is too big, What could new Thunder arena look like and Predicting the Future.'

Get ready for the next ten year construction era.

[BoulderSooner]

The Federal Court and DOJ will not care about your "budget". If the county will not solve the problem, they will, regardless of anyone's budget.

where in the united states has this happened??

[Swake]

where in the united states has this happened??

Oklahoma City? Tulsa? The State of Oklahoma? All have had some level of forced federal management over the years. The feds often take oversight and sometimes outright management of prison systems all the time. The feds have previously threatened to force OKC to build a new prison.

[Dob Hooligan]

where in the united states has this happened??

I think Maricopa County Arizona has been operating under Federal supervision for over 10 years. Spent hundreds of millions on the effort, and still struggling.

[Laramie]