2004 Metro population estimates from the US Census

[Shake2005]

The difference between the metro areas is 280,596

[In_Tulsa]

Size does not matter Tulsa is just a better city all around.

[Decious]

That's the same thing my girlfriend thought until she met me. Obviously it matters in this thread, being that the discussion is about census data and population figures. Maybe you should start another pretty/arena/lovemaking with a building/fetish-like/upstroke thread on Tulsanow to further express the all around betterness that exists In_Tulsa.

[thecains]

what?

[JOHNINSOKC]

Again, maybe I will have to take a weekend trip to Tulsa to see how AWESOME it is compared to our small hicktown.

[In_Tulsa]

Johninokc you will be SHOCKED it is that much better.

[swake]

Look, how hick a city is has little to do with how big it is, OKC is more hick than Bartlesville or Lawrence KS, and they are much smaller.

[HOT ROD]

Look, how hick a city is has little to do with how big it is, OKC is more hick than Bartlesville or Lawrence KS, and they are much smaller.

Honestly, tulsa is NOTHING to brag about. Your little berg is nothing more than a few rich people who built a museum and a few skyscrapers. Other than that, Tulsa really doesnt have much quality of life to offer - especially in terms of a big city.

I can say that most people post negative comments about another city to make themselves look better. Tulsa has done this to OKC for far too long and now it is more apparent that your self esteem is severely hurt with all of the positives occuring with big bro to the SW. It seems like people from tulsa are nEVER happy! They always need to put someone down to make themselves feel better.

Since Tulsans are so mad, why dont you suceed from the state. Who cares? tulsa has NOTHING that OKC needs and really would be better off without the rude little sister.

And OKC is no hick town. Bartlesville is nothing to compare OKC with, as oKC is more than 20 times the size of Big B. Neither is Tulsa. If you think Bartlesville is something, then that just shows you how small time YOU ARE!

You may notice, that Tulsans try to put OKC down but OKC doesnt really say much - because OKC knows the reality and that Tulsa is just crying, like usual.

Aside from a few hills and planted trees, there is really nothing Tulsa has to offer anyone aside from residents whom Tulsa is all they know.

I think tulsa should pick on Wichita or Little rock, you know, regional cities of similar size and vain. On this forum, we appreciate constructive criticism about our city but will not stand for your bs. OKC is out of your league!

And yes, I live in Seattle but care much for and have very high regard for Oklahoma City!

[Karried]

" Johninokc you will be SHOCKED it is that much better. "

Be prepared to be shocked -

Tulsa Economy 2005

While the U.S. economy experienced an approximately 5 percent total increase in real Gross Domestic Product between 2001 and 2003, Tulsa suffered a 1.1 percent decrease in real output over the same period.

Tulsa’s 7.8 percent decrease in non-farm wage and salary employment far exceeded the 2.1 percent decrease experience by the rest of the nation. The loss of 32,000 jobs pushed Tulsa’s unemployment rate to 6.5 percent in 2003, half a percentage point above the nation’s unemployment rate. Tulsa saw its unemployment rate rise by more than 3 percent while the nation’s unemployment rate went up by 1.2 percent. Finally, while the rest of America was experiencing a 5.0 percent increase in personal income between 2001 and 2003, Tulsans experienced a minimal 1.2 percent increase in personal income. Since reaching a post-oil bust peak of 100 percent (where Tulsa’s per capita personal income matched the national average) in 2002, Tulsa’s per capita income growth has fallen behind that of the U.S. Economy. In 2005, Tulsa metro area residents will earn, on a per capita basis, 95 percent of the national average. "

Just where I want to live, high unemployment and when you find a job you can expect to not make any money -

I can live without a hill and a tree (although we have those in abundance here in OKC and surrounding areas) but I can't live with a low income which is what you'll get in Tulsa

Actually, I have nothing against Tulsa, but why come to our board and insist that you are much more superior to us? That wouldn't go over well in any city - we are proud of our city and don't appreciate insults -

we can take constructive criticism but insults are, well.... insulting :surrender .

[okcpulse]

In_Tulsa, I visit Tulsa more than a dozen times a year because of family, and I was never SHOCKED. Tulsa BETTER than OKC? No, sorry. Forget it. Oklahoma City BETTER than TULSA? No. We don't sit on the high horse.

Are you calling me a hick, swake? Because if you are, you had better get to know me or anyone else on this forum from Oklahoma City before you start putting cities down. Just in case you forgot, people live in cities. Not objects.

Talk of secession is not tolerated. Oklahoma cannot thrive while constantly split down the middle, which IS our problem.

[Patrick]

Thanks okcpulse for setting us back on good footing!

[Nuclear_2525]

I think this is the most rediculous thing I have ever read. I feel like I am watching a bunch of grade schoolers argue that their dad can beat up your dad.

LET IT GO!

Where did you come from In_Tulsa? How old are you and why do you feel that you have to knock OKC? I am from the Tulsa area and really like Tulsa, it is a beautiful city. But to say that Tulsa is a much better city is rediculous. What do you have to stake your claim on? If you wanted to argue that OKC is the better city right now, I think you would have something to stake your claim on. WHY? Does Tulsa have a downtown district as large and as traveled as Bricktown? Does Tulsa currently have 1.3 Billion dollars in future development for DT? At this point in time, OKC is rolling, the people here have positive attitudes toward their city. 20 Years ago, Tulsa was rolling and OKC was watching and wishing. Tulsa 3 years ago was watching and wishing, but now has V2025. BUT, Tulsa IS behind OKC.

Just a little wake up for In Tulsa...I would much rather see Tulsa become a great city...i know that probably wont go over well in this forum. But I grew up visiting in Tulsa and I love it. However, I have not been to DT Tulsa EVER in my life. On the other hand, I visit downtown OKC every couple of weeks because their is actually something to do.

Anyway, In_Tulsa I think you need to go back to the TulsaNow Forum and rant and rave over their about how great Tulsa is...I guarantee you they will like it. Not saying that they all feel the same way you do, because I think most of them are not BLIND and can see what OKC is becoming.

[Nuclear_2525]

ok sorry...i made the tone bad again.


OKC is an awesome city and we are supposed to be discussing the CENSUS reports!


Discuss

[Patrick]

One thing I think everyone here is forgetting....having both cities makes our state incredibly unique. Without one, our state simply wouldn't be the same. Let's stop all of this bashing nonsense. I'm still not sure why Tulsans always have to bash OKC. Instead of bashing us and keeping your pride, lower your nose a little and work with us hand in hand to make this the best state in the union. Until you put down your fists, we'll continue to fall behind the rest.

[NewPlains]

I like Tulsa, I really do. I would like to see it do well; downtown Tulsa is something that we should all be proud of in Oklahoma; you won't find better art deco era archetecture anywhere, other than maybe Chicago. That being said, I get mighty tired of hearing the "OKC sucks" refrain; the rivalry just makes us look ridiculous. How many people in the rest of the country do you think take either city seriously? We're stronger together than we'll ever be apart, and that means that we have to put away the snobbery and resentment and try to work together. The idea that OKC is sort of hick used to have some credibility to me; I would go to Tulsa to see the Philbrook and go to concerts, and I was pretty impressed. Now it just seems silly; I hate to say it, but Tulsa's days of being a happening cultural town seem to be behind it; both the Fred Jones in Norman and the OKCMOA are better than the phillbrook now (not archetecturally, obviously- you have us beat there, but keep tearing down your Bruce Goff masterpieces and you'll catch up soon enough), and last I checked Tulsa's one good record store moved to Denton. When the grass is greener in Denton, maybe it's time to take the attitude down a notch. Like I said, I really want Tulsa to be as prosperous as it once was, but I don't think that we in OKC should stand perpetually in awe of it's faded glory and wait for it to catch up.

On a slightly lighter note, I have a friend from Tulsa who kept going on about how OKC sucks; when I pressed her on it, it turned out that since Tulsa's downtown is at the northern edge of town, she just assumed that OKC was laid out in the same way and only saw the southside. If I only saw south OKC, I wouldn't be that impressed either (sorry southsiders- I do love capitol hill, but it's getting easier to get good carnitas on the northside, so I don't spend much time there anymore)

[JOHNINSOKC]

That's the problem with people who base their opinions by what they see on I-35. I live in far southwest OKC(Westmoore) in a very affluent area of the city and I think the quality of life is superb. People from Tulsa need to try getting off the freeway and explore this city. If you drive around the city on the main arteries, you'll have a whole new perspective and appreciation for the area. Most of the growth in the OKC area is not visible from the freeways.

[okcpulse]

Well, NewPlains, did you inform her that OKC largely exists northwest of our downtown?

[Patrick]

We've gotten off topic a little, but that's good.....I think the overall theme is an indepth look at both OKC and Tulsa, which started with the cnesus comparisons.

Anyways, the same could be said about Tulsa, I suppose. Personally, I don't think Tulsa is all that attractive from I-40, other than maybe the river stretch. The old Camelot Hotel is quit an eyesore, and other surrounding buildings aren't much better. But, I've taken the time to drive around Tulsa and see Philbrook, Gilcrease, the 71st St. stretch, Tulsa Promenade, several of the neighborhoods on the south side, Broken Arrow, etc. If I just based my opinion of Tulsa on the north side aroud the zoo, I wouldn't be too impressed.

Same with OKC, only here the sides are reversed.

Unfortunately, Tulsans have always had this mindset that Tulsa is the upscale artsy town and OKC is hickville. Well, as lnog as Tulsans continue to have that mindset, and refuse to work with us, they're going to continue to lose jobs and fall! We can work together as two cities to lift our entire state. But, it's gonig to take a lot to ovecome the obvious hatred Tulsa has for OKC. All one needs to do is go to Tulsa and tell them you're from OKC, and see the look on their face. Trust me...I've done that. Tulsans can be downright rude to people from OKC. Funny how it doesn't work like that the other way...we're just as friendly to Tulsans as we are to our own citizens.

You know, if it wasn't for Tulsa having their nose so high up in the air, they would've worked with us on building a huge joint airport on Stroud! What stopped that? Yup, you guessed it.....Tulsa's mayor and Airport Trust refused to work together with us.

[swake]

Wah, Tulsa's not being nice, they think they're better.

Come on, grow up, I said OKC was more hick than two small cities that are very white collar and not very diverse. I never mentioned Tulsa at all. My point was that "hickness" and size are not directly related.

What are you all so defensive about?

[In_Tulsa]

They know their town SUCKS

[Karried]

In Tulsa,

You certainly aren't presenting a very classy image with your well versed and thought provoking posts filled with factual information.

I can't wait to visit Tulsa if you are the representative of that city - sounds like it is filled with intellectuals - not.

There is a nice board for people from Tulsa, I think you will be better off there.

[In_Tulsa]

What are you talking about I live in this crap town called OKC I wish I was In_Tulsa

[Karried]

Well, in that case, I'm moving to Tulsa ....

[NewPlains]

don't let the turnpike hit you on the way out...and let me know how that giant phantom statue turns out. And if you bought that load of crap, I've got some magic beans to sell you.

[In_Tulsa]

How much for the beans?