Total Wine and More

[coatesindc]

I don't think the liquor issue will prevent Total Wine from having more than 2 locations in the state. There are many Total Wine locations in Virginia and none of them sell liquor as it is exclusively sold in state-run ABC stores.

[Pete]

I wonder if they'll do that work-around where they have an adjacent but separate liquor store.

This was the plan for Costco but they never followed through.

[bille]

I don't think the liquor issue will prevent Total Wine from having more than 2 locations in the state. There are many Total Wine locations in Virginia and none of them sell liquor as it is exclusively sold in state-run ABC stores.

If they don't sell spirits they would not be limited to two locations or have the residency restrictions either. In essence a wine/beer specialty store could come in and have favorable hours, multiple locations, etc. with virtually none of the limitations that a spirit-based liquor store has. It's a niche business but one I keyed in the opportunities back before the law was ever updated. Perhaps the numbers don't (or didn't) make sense for anybody to bother with the concept.

[Pete]

^

They are so focused on wine that I could see them just leaving out spirits, because they also have a huge beer and seltzer selection.

It's totally different than BevMo, which is much more about liquor.

[Thunderbolt]

I hope they don't leave out spirits. Total Wine's whisky selection is top notch in other states.

[April in the Plaza]

Hopefully we’re not changing any liquor laws on Trone’s account.

[bille]

^

They are so focused on wine that I could see them just leaving out spirits, because they also have a huge beer and seltzer selection.

It's totally different than BevMo, which is much more about liquor.

They very well could be going that route with intention of adding spirits later on....or like mentioned, building the store and then suing to get the law updated to allow for them to carry spirits.

I do love supporting my favorite local retail stores here in Norman and OKC but I also love Spec's, especially their newer stores. Those places take "liquor store" to an entirely different level.

[Mballard85]

I'd expect this store to get opened up as a normal Total Wine and then they start the process of litigation to change the laws.

[jedicurt]

I'd expect this store to get opened up as a normal Total Wine and then they start the process of litigation to change the laws.

this is my thoughts as well... it seems to be what they have done in several other states

[corwin1968]

I was looking on the Wichita location's website and it has this disclaimer

[jedicurt]

I was looking on the Wichita location's website and it has this disclaimer

yep. the oklahoma one will be done this way as well. and then they will use that to try and push to challenge the laws

[progressiveboy]

Before moving back to OKC last year, I lived in Plano and there was a Total Wine off of Plano Parkway that I would go and make purchases. Loved their selection and the staff were well informed on their wine recommendations too! It was a pleasant shopping experience. Would love to see them open a second location at the former Bed Bath & Beyond space on 63rd & N. May Avenue. Nice central location!

[Jersey Boss]

The first shot has been fired. ABLE lays down the gauntlet.
https://www.koco.com/article/total-w...ition/60795259

[jedicurt]

The first shot has been fired. ABLE lays down the gauntlet.
https://www.koco.com/article/total-w...ition/60795259

well, i mean we all knew this was going to be the way it would go. that this would be a muli-year legal battle. and it makes sense for it to start here.

[corwin1968]

Hopefully it doesn't take years. I live in far NW OKC and even if they build one in this area, I would still frequent my neighborhood shops, just for the convenience. I often go to Neighborhood Market because I don't want to deal with the hassle of going to Crest.

[Pete]

You would think they are looking hard at the old BBB at NW 63rd & May; assuming they can work out the legal aspects.

Has anyone taken the old BBB space at Bryant Square in Edmond?

[bison34]

I feel like this is a common thing, and not just oklahoma. Or more that Total Wine changed numerous laws in numerous states, and Oklahoma will likely be next.

Doesn't seem like a major issue.

[BoulderSooner]

You would think they are looking hard at the old BBB at NW 63rd & May; assuming they can work out the legal aspects.

Has anyone taken the old BBB space at Bryant Square in Edmond?

yep Burlington IIRC

[jedicurt]

I feel like this is a common thing, and not just oklahoma. Or more that Total Wine changed numerous laws in numerous states, and Oklahoma will likely be next.

Doesn't seem like a major issue.

yes i believe they are currently now 6-0 in forcing states to change their laws. this was the expected process.

[bison34]

yes i believe they are currently now 6-0 in forcing states to change their laws. this was the expected process.

Nice!

[Jersey Boss]

yes i believe they are currently now 6-0 in forcing states to change their laws. this was the expected process.

They lost this Conn. case

https://www.alcohollawreview.com/new...n-connecticut/

It also apoears they are under FTC investigatjon for monoply issues.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...thern-glazers/

[MagzOK]

TW&M is going to be a great get for the state. I wish we could get Specs in here as well. Love that place, too.

[Pete]

If they succeed in changing the law, I hope BevMo follows.

[MagzOK]

I swear this state. . . .

https://www.yahoo.com/news/total-win...112800827.html

[Pete]

^

They were always going to be denied. Their MO is to appeal and ultimately challenge the law.