Full list of proposed MAPS 4 projects

[soonerguru]

Is the city actually funding anything to do with the campaign, or is it the Chamber? I feel like that is an assumption that shouldn't go unchallenged.

No. The city does not fund the campaign. City department heads are actually mute about it, even if they are beneficiaries of some of the projects. It's actually quite ridiculous (although I agree tax dollars should not be spent on campaigning).

[soonerguru]

I’ve noticed the City is quick to delete dissenting voices from the various social media channels. Seems like very odd behavior if “yes” is so sure to win.

What? Please provide specific examples.

[chuck5815]

What? Please provide specific examples.

https://okcfox.com/news/local/maps-4...s-being-hidden

[Anonymous.]

During the Thunder broadcast last night, they plugged a Yes for MAPS Vote.

[LocoAko]

There were actually a fair number of people at my polling place this morning at 7:20AM. And by a "fair number" I mean 3 or 4, but usually in these local elections I'm the only voter to be found the entire time I swing by.

[David]

No. The city does not fund the campaign. City department heads are actually mute about it, even if they are beneficiaries of some of the projects. It's actually quite ridiculous (although I agree tax dollars should not be spent on campaigning).

I thought so, which means the statement that has been repeated for several pages about the city funding the campaign is at best a misunderstanding. At worst it's a complete lie, but I'd like to believe better than that.

https://okcfox.com/news/local/maps-4...s-being-hidden

Hidden tweets are hardly something to get all worked up about. They aren't permanently gone, the tweet they are a reply to will tell you that it has hidden replies, and you can click through to see them.

Anyway, ballot number 19 in my precinct this morning, hopefully the day goes well. I'm particularly curious to see how the end result matches up to the Soonerpoll polling.

[jedicurt]

https://okcfox.com/news/local/maps-4...s-being-hidden

so who runs this twitter account? is it the city? if not, then the city isn't hiding them

[OKC Guy]

I dug the last flyer out of my trash can. It states

“Authorized and paid for by Citizens for MAPS 4”

Anyone know how they are funded? I have to assume its privately funded. Would be nice to know who bankrolls the flyers behind the scenes. Mainly to know if anyone who would benefit from approval ($$$) is part of that group.

I was #66 in far NW OKC at 7:45. I know a lot out this way are against. I voted to give myself a 1% merit increase on all my spending the next 8 years. Not every day you can vote to give yourself a pay raise. If it does fail (please) then maybe they can come back with something like Aquarium as shorter stand alone tax, I would vote for that.

[OKC Guy]

so who runs this twitter account? is it the city? if not, then the city isn't hiding them

I went to and read the article and it even stated the Mayor hides tweets. Can’t get any higher than that.

[Pete]

COALITION MEMBERS
As of 12-9-19

ADG
American Quarter Horse Association
Arabian Horse Association
Arnall Family Foundation
Associated Builders and Contractors of Oklahoma
Automobile Alley Association
Black Chamber of Commerce of Metro Oklahoma City
Boys & Girls Clubs of Oklahoma County
Bricktown Association
The CARE Center- Child Abuse Response and Evaluation Center
Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City
CEC Corporation
CLS & Associates, LLC
CSS Partners
Center for Employment Opportunity (CEO)
Central Oklahoma Commercial Association of REALTORS
Central Oklahoma Home Builders Association
Central Oklahoma Labor Federation AFL-CIO
Central Oklahoma Youth Lacrosse
City Care Center
Classen Inn Motel
Communities Foundation of Oklahoma
deadCenter film
Downtown OKC
Endurance Girls Lacrosse
Energy FC
Express Employment Professionals
Fraternal Order of Police - OKC
Fowler Automotive
Freedom Center
FSB Architects and Engineers
Greater Oklahoma City Chamber
GSB Inc. Architects & Planners
Halff Associates
HNTB Corporation
Houston Financial
Humphreys Capital
Inasmuch Foundation
Iron Workers Local 48 - OKC
Jenifer Reynolds/Sandbur Productions LLC
Jim Cowan & Associates
Keep Oklahoma Beautiful
Laborers International Union of North America - Local 107
Latino Community Development Agency
Mason Realty Investors
McAfee & Taft
Midtown Association
NAACP
National Reining Horse Association
Neighborhood Alliance of Central Oklahoma, Inc.
NewView Oklahoma
North OKC Soccer Club
Northwest OKC Chamber
OKC Beautiful
OKC Black Eats, LLC
OKC Lacrosse Club
OKC Metropolitan Assoc. of Realtors
OKC Police Athletic League
Oklahoma Alliance for Public Transportation
Oklahoma Bicycle Society
Oklahoma Building and Construction Trades Council
Oklahoma City Firefighters, Local 157
Oklahoma Municipal Contractors Association
Oklahoma Soccer Association
Oklahoma State Fair / OKC Fairgrounds
Oklahoma Transit Association
Oklahoma Youth Expo
Painted Door Boutique
Palomar: Oklahoma City's Family Justice Center
ParkingWhisperer
Pivot, Inc.
Plaza District Shopping Center
Plumbers & Pipefitters - Local 344
Positive Tomorrows
Rand Elliot Architects
Rep. Cyndi Munson
Score OKC
SendaRide
Smith & Pickel Construction, Inc.
Social Order Dining Collective
South Oklahoma City Chamber
Special Olympics Oklahoma
The Grand National & World Championship Morgan Horse Show
The Homeless Alliance
Tree Bank Foundation
Uptown 23rd District Association
VOICE Action Fund
Yale Theater
YMCA of Greater Oklahoma City
YWCA Oklahoma City
ZFI Engineering Co.

[jedicurt]

I went to and read the article and it even stated the Mayor hides tweets. Can’t get any higher than that.

again, we are talking about hiding tweets, that are easily clicked on and viewed. not deleting them.

[chuck5815]

again, we are talking about hiding tweets, that are easily clicked on and viewed. not deleting them.

from what I understand, Holt has also been deleting instagram comments on his posts which cannot be viewed by 3rd parties once deleted.

[OKC Guy]

again, we are talking about hiding tweets, that are easily clicked on and viewed. not deleting them.

So, I don’t have twitter but save twitter names in safari so can view tweets. I have no option to view these that I know of.

[David]

Well, that is your fault for using Twitter in a weird way. It may be true that an anonymous user cannot click through and see the hidden tweets, but that seems like it defeats the purpose of Twitter intentionally leaving them accessible so I kind of doubt it.

[jedicurt]

from what I understand, Holt has also been deleting instagram comments on his posts which cannot be viewed by 3rd parties once deleted.

from what you understand. but can you confirm that?

[shawnw]

There are several things Twitter and Instagram don't let you do if you're not logged in, which I think is fine. Sign up, make it a burner account, not one associated with your name, it's free. Use burner email addresses, etc, whatever. But there are no cost ways to do what you're wanting. There's no conspiracy by a person cultivating their social media presence in ways designed by the platform creator. Incidentally this feature was only recently created (https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/19/2...t-hide-replies).

[GoGators]

I dug the last flyer out of my trash can. It states

“Authorized and paid for by Citizens for MAPS 4”

Anyone know how they are funded? I have to assume its privately funded. Would be nice to know who bankrolls the flyers behind the scenes. Mainly to know if anyone who would benefit from approval ($$$) is part of that group.

I was #66 in far NW OKC at 7:45. I know a lot out this way are against. I voted to give myself a 1% merit increase on all my spending the next 8 years. Not every day you can vote to give yourself a pay raise. If it does fail (please) then maybe they can come back with something like Aquarium as shorter stand alone tax, I would vote for that.

Why are you now saying that you have to assume it’s privately funded and a couple of posts back you were saying that tax money shouldn’t be spent for flyers and they should give equal money to the other side?

Which one is it? Are you just saying anything you think might make someone mad about maps? Or do you honestly believe the maps campaign is tax payer funded?

Or are you saying you think private money should be forced to donate to both sides so it’s “fair”.

I’m very confused on your comments

[soonerguru]

Well if she's not in OKC wonder why she is even concerned about it?

I've observed some of the loudest opponents on social media don't even live in OKC. Just saw a post this morning populated by Edmond and Village residents bitching about it.

[soonerguru]

If it does fail (please) then maybe they can come back with something like Aquarium as shorter stand alone tax, I would vote for that.

That won't happen. So are you in the Piedmont / Deer Creek area? I know a lot of people from that part of town who are voting for MAPS 4.

But this mythical notion that you'll get what you want by voting this down is ridiculous and won't happen.

[soonerguru]

COALITION MEMBERS
As of 12-9-19

ADG
American Quarter Horse Association
Arabian Horse Association
Arnall Family Foundation
Associated Builders and Contractors of Oklahoma
Automobile Alley Association
Black Chamber of Commerce of Metro Oklahoma City
Boys & Girls Clubs of Oklahoma County
Bricktown Association
The CARE Center- Child Abuse Response and Evaluation Center
Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City
CEC Corporation
CLS & Associates, LLC
CSS Partners
Center for Employment Opportunity (CEO)
Central Oklahoma Commercial Association of REALTORS
Central Oklahoma Home Builders Association
Central Oklahoma Labor Federation AFL-CIO
Central Oklahoma Youth Lacrosse
City Care Center
Classen Inn Motel
Communities Foundation of Oklahoma
deadCenter film
Downtown OKC
Endurance Girls Lacrosse
Energy FC
Express Employment Professionals
Fraternal Order of Police - OKC
Fowler Automotive
Freedom Center
FSB Architects and Engineers
Greater Oklahoma City Chamber
GSB Inc. Architects & Planners
Halff Associates
HNTB Corporation
Houston Financial
Humphreys Capital
Inasmuch Foundation
Iron Workers Local 48 - OKC
Jenifer Reynolds/Sandbur Productions LLC
Jim Cowan & Associates
Keep Oklahoma Beautiful
Laborers International Union of North America - Local 107
Latino Community Development Agency
Mason Realty Investors
McAfee & Taft
Midtown Association
NAACP
National Reining Horse Association
Neighborhood Alliance of Central Oklahoma, Inc.
NewView Oklahoma
North OKC Soccer Club
Northwest OKC Chamber
OKC Beautiful
OKC Black Eats, LLC
OKC Lacrosse Club
OKC Metropolitan Assoc. of Realtors
OKC Police Athletic League
Oklahoma Alliance for Public Transportation
Oklahoma Bicycle Society
Oklahoma Building and Construction Trades Council
Oklahoma City Firefighters, Local 157
Oklahoma Municipal Contractors Association
Oklahoma Soccer Association
Oklahoma State Fair / OKC Fairgrounds
Oklahoma Transit Association
Oklahoma Youth Expo
Painted Door Boutique
Palomar: Oklahoma City's Family Justice Center
ParkingWhisperer
Pivot, Inc.
Plaza District Shopping Center
Plumbers & Pipefitters - Local 344
Positive Tomorrows
Rand Elliot Architects
Rep. Cyndi Munson
Score OKC
SendaRide
Smith & Pickel Construction, Inc.
Social Order Dining Collective
South Oklahoma City Chamber
Special Olympics Oklahoma
The Grand National & World Championship Morgan Horse Show
The Homeless Alliance
Tree Bank Foundation
Uptown 23rd District Association
VOICE Action Fund
Yale Theater
YMCA of Greater Oklahoma City
YWCA Oklahoma City
ZFI Engineering Co.

What a sinister corporate cartel.

[jerrywall]

I've observed some of the loudest opponents on social media don't even live in OKC. Just saw a post this morning populated by Edmond and Village residents bitching about it.

I mean, I can sort of see that. There are a lot of people who are affected by the vote who can't actually vote.

[jonny d]

What a sinister corporate cartel.

Yep. Agreed. Just the dregs of society.

[OKC Guy]

That won't happen. So are you in the Piedmont / Deer Creek area? I know a lot of people from that part of town who are voting for MAPS 4.

But this mythical notion that you'll get what you want by voting this down is ridiculous and won't happen.

Are you saying my vote doesn’t count, even before voting has concluded and is tallied up?

[OKC Guy]

Why are you now saying that you have to assume it’s privately funded and a couple of posts back you were saying that tax money shouldn’t be spent for flyers and they should give equal money to the other side?

Which one is it? Are you just saying anything you think might make someone mad about maps? Or do you honestly believe the maps campaign is tax payer funded?

Or are you saying you think private money should be forced to donate to both sides so it’s “fair”.

I’m very confused on your comments

1. Did not know who funded it and incorrectly made an assumption. Some pointed out city could not use tax money, so I dug up flyer from trash and found out who funded.

2. Wanted to know of the funders, how many benefited financially from its passage. Pete listed them and sure enough there is financial gain involved.

[GoGators]

1. Did not know who funded it and incorrectly made an assumption. Some pointed out city could not use tax money, so I dug up flyer from trash and found out who funded.

2. Wanted to know of the funders, how many benefited financially from its passage. Pete listed them and sure enough there is financial gain involved.

So why make an inflammatory statement you don’t know anything about? Your entire post was about how bad and unfair it was that the city was using tax dollars to fund the campaign.

Why do you feel the need to make things up to argue your side? If you don’t want maps to pass, make a factual argument and if it’s good enough it will resonate. This is the problem with politics on all levels. People play fast and loose with basic facts in order to try make a point.