Quail Springs Mall

[d-usa]

Because Edmond is closer to QSM than PSM, but it’s easier to drive away from NW OKC to go down Broadway Extension and at that point you might as well keep on driving South.

Yes, the OKC intersections on Memorial and Penn or May suck. I wouldn’t even try to dispute that. But folks in Edmond have two options to get to QSM: drive through the main streets in Edmond, which are a mess due to stop lights or take a route via Memorial which means you are still navigating some crap Edmond traffic in addition to OKC traffic on Penn and Memorial. Both options suck, but that doesn’t mean that just OKC rather than Edmond traffic is potentially keeping traffic away.

I live just over 3 miles north of the mall, and I think it’s pretty easy to get to QSM approaching from the North, just turn at Home Depot. Penn doesn’t become a cluster**** until you get past that intersection. I go to the Target there without any issues, but it almost takes twice as long to drive the extra quarter mile to Walmart. So if I need Walmart I head to Edmond (aside from it being a nicer store than the one on Penn). I think of it would be easier to navigate through Edmond, more people might head that way from the north despite the crap traffic situation on Memorial.

But yeah, I would gladly accept a couple years of constructions if they moved the Western/Penn/May exits just past the intersections so you have the full mile to change lanes rather than the suicide dash across Memorial we always see.

[barrettd]

I live at Britton and May, and when I go to any store north of Memorial on Penn, I go up May past Memorial and drive through the QSM parking lot to get to Target, Home Depot, etc. I try to avoid the actual intersection of Penn/Memorial at all costs. If I'm going to Sam's or WalMart, I just head north on Penn and don't have to deal with the intersection at all.

Kind of ridiculous the lengths some of us will go to avoid that intersection.

[traxx]

If it is anywhere near Quail Springs, yes. Considering Edmond ends at Santa Fe on 33rd and ends between Western and Santa Fe North through Danforth. http://edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/4439

Well, he said north of 33rd in Edmond, so I took to mean Edmond proper. Say Danforth and Bryant. I know what he means. Trying to get from somewhere like that to QSM is a huge hassle because of all the uncoordinated lights in Edmond. And I would assume traffic lights around Danforth and Bryant would be Edmond lights and not OKC, but I could be wrong. I do understand that technically Edmond does go fairly far west, kind of like how OKC city limits extend as far as Cimarron Rd and SW 104th but I don't know that anyone living out there would say they live in OKC.

[rezman]

Danforth & Bryant is indeed Edmond.

I live off of Western between 178th & Danforth. It is Okc but with an Edmond address. Getting to QSM from my place is not a big deal. I regularly meet a friend of mine for lunch at First Watch on the south side of the turnpike at Penn & Memorial. Numerous times I’ve seen traffic on Penn backed up almost to 150th. I’ve always felt that a direct entrance from 150th into the mall would relieve some of the congestion on Penn. but so far there is none.

[Zorba]

Well, he said north of 33rd in Edmond, so I took to mean Edmond proper. Say Danforth and Bryant. I know what he means. Trying to get from somewhere like that to QSM is a huge hassle because of all the uncoordinated lights in Edmond. And I would assume traffic lights around Danforth and Bryant would be Edmond lights and not OKC, but I could be wrong. I do understand that technically Edmond does go fairly far west, kind of like how OKC city limits extend as far as Cimarron Rd and SW 104th but I don't know that anyone living out there would say they live in OKC.

Off of second street, there are very few places in true Edmond that have lights arranged in such a way that timing makes any sense. You don't time lights 1-mile apart from each other on two-way roads. There are many places in Edmond and OKC that could benefit from light flashing in off peak times, like the lights around Edmond North HS. And every city has put in too many lights because they give them away for economic development.

I know a lot of people that live in OKC like to think they live in Edmond for some reason, but if you are going to complain about a problem with the city government's operations, it is best to blame the right city.

But I live at Coffee Creek and Kelly and I can get to QSM in the same amount of time it takes me to just get to the Broadway Extension. I still go to Penn a lot because I like it better, but it is quicker to go to QSM.

Danforth & Bryant is indeed Edmond.

I live off of Western between 178th & Danforth. It is Okc but with an Edmond address. Getting to QSM from my place is not a big deal. I regularly meet a friend of mine for lunch at First Watch on the south side of the turnpike at Penn & Memorial. Numerous times I’ve seen traffic on Penn backed up almost to 150th. I’ve always felt that a direct entrance from 150th into the mall would relieve some of the congestion on Penn. but so far there is none.

I agree, they really need to connect the mall road to 150th, especially with Life Time right there it would help a lot.

FYI: Your Edmond address just means that your mail is delivered through the Edmond post office, has nothing to do with city boundaries or city functions. This is big pet peeve of mine because of how many people I know that live West of Penn who insist they live in Edmond, despite all evidence to the contrary. I have no idea how people don't know what city they live in especially when you get a monthly bill from the city for water and trash. Really drives me nuts how many realtors will claim that a house is in Edmond, when it is 3 miles from the boundary.

[rezman]

^ Yes, I well aware of how it works, the city boundaries, and that my mail comes out of Edmond, and that I do live in Okc. It's still an Edmond address.

When I lived south east of Arcadia, I was in Oklahoma City, and though I was closer to Arcadia, I had a Jones address. If someone put Okc on a letter, it would delay it's arrival. Don't ask me why.

Which has nothing to do with QSM.

[jn1780]

I say I live in Edmond even though I have Oklahoma City utilities and government and I think most everyone else realizes they don't actually live in the Edmond city limits. It helps people get an idea where you live and it is your official U.S. government address. When your dealing with a large metro area like OKC, living within three miles to the Edmond City limits is close enough to a realtor.


What would really drive you crazy, is that I told people I lived in Moore when I lived near 134th st and Santa Fe. That is OKC address and utilities. Again, I did this to give people a general location on where I lived since saying OKC could be anywhere between Edmond and Moore.

[TheTravellers]

We lived at NW 164th/May - it's an Edmond address, but in OKC limits, so we told people we lived in OKC 'cos we hate Edmond, lol...

On-topic, though - it looks like the little stub on 150th across from Sugar Loaf Drive (Lane would've sounded better than Drive) has been made into a street and goes all the way down to QSM, but doesn't connect. Maybe sometime in the future that'll happen, but probably not since that street is only two lanes, not really meant as mall access...

[d-usa]

I tell people that I am in the middle of the OKC/Edmond/Deer Creek Venn Diagram.

[traxx]

Off of second street, there are very few places in true Edmond that have lights arranged in such a way that timing makes any sense. You don't time lights 1-mile apart from each other on two-way roads.

I find this difficult to believe.

2nd street, in what you call true Edmond, extends from a bit west of Santa Fe to way out east into sparsely populated areas. There are A LOT of traffic lights along that stretch. And that's just one road. There's a lot of roads with a lot of traffic lights in Edmond proper. You're telling me there's no way to time those lights to have traffic be more efficient? I'm not talking about a perfect solution, I'm just talking about more efficient than the randomness that they have now.

[baralheia]

When was the food court remodeled? It feels like it was between 1997-2000. I actually really liked the old food court and mall entrance before the theater was built. Dated, but nostalgic.

If I'm not mistaken, that happened when the AMC was built there; that would have been in 1998.

[FighttheGoodFight]

If I'm not mistaken, that happened when the AMC was built there; that would have been in 1998.

I remember when it was redone. We were so excited considering the old food court was tiny. I remember they had plexiglass up and you could watch the process.

[jn1780]

I remember when it was redone. We were so excited considering the old food court was tiny. I remember they had plexiglass up and you could watch the process.

I just hate how far away the main mall entrances are to the central parts of the mall. The new entrance where Macy's used to be is going to help out a lot.

[baralheia]

I just hate how far away the main mall entrances are to the central parts of the mall. The new entrance where Macy's used to be is going to help out a lot.

My first job was working at the AMC in the mall in the early 2000's.... The fastest and easiest way I ever found into that mall was parking on the north side, between Dillard's and the former Macy's, and entering through the loading dock area. It put me right into the central part of the mall on the upper level. I used that entrance for a little while after i quit working there, and it was awesome... But I am pretty sure you can't do that anymore. I agree, the other entrances really suck.

[FighttheGoodFight]

My first job was working at the AMC in the mall in the early 2000's.... The fastest and easiest way I ever found into that mall was parking on the north side, between Dillard's and the former Macy's, and entering through the loading dock area. It put me right into the central part of the mall on the upper level. I used that entrance for a little while after i quit working there, and it was awesome... But I am pretty sure you can't do that anymore. I agree, the other entrances really suck.

I also used that entrance for my AMC and Mall jobs circa early 00's. I bet AMC still hasn't changed their employee entrance door code since 98....

[Plutonic Panda]

I find this difficult to believe.

2nd street, in what you call true Edmond, extends from a bit west of Santa Fe to way out east into sparsely populated areas. There are A LOT of traffic lights along that stretch. And that's just one road. There's a lot of roads with a lot of traffic lights in Edmond proper. You're telling me there's no way to time those lights to have traffic be more efficient? I'm not talking about a perfect solution, I'm just talking about more efficient than the randomness that they have now.

There are ways. Virtually every other city does it.

[scottk]

In addition to the untimed lights to get out of Edmond City limits towards the retail of Memorial Road, including QSM, 2nd St/Edmond Road lacks center turn lanes from University to west of Santa Fe and curb cuts for right handed turns into businesses. This causes unnecessary congestion and is quite surprising for being considered the "main" road to go east west in a town that now has over 90,000 people in its actual city limits.

In certain places there is space to expand intersections and add a center turn lane. In others, businesses are built directly adjacent to the road. On the north side of Edmond, it appears the City of Edmond is addressing this correctly with Covell road as they expand it piece by piece.

The same could be said for the amount of spacing on the one ways of Memorial Road between Western to Portland. When the access roads were built in the early 90's, QSM was still pretty much by itself. As retail has boomed and residential population, little has been done to allow some breathing room, especially at Penn and May along Memorial.

[SomeGuy]

Went to Quail the other week. Subway and Burger King are now gone as well as the downstairs wing to the left of Dillards is boarded up. There were also a lot of mom and pop shops especially in the Von Maur wing along with a few empty storefronts as well.

I hate to say it as someone who's defended the mall before, but they need to get their act together. It's starting to resemble Crossroads in the early 2000's.

[Pete]

That Dillard's itself is sad.

Looks like it hasn't been updated in decades.

[jn1780]

Penn Square isn't doing as great as it was a couple of years ago. They lost momentum, especially after that flood last summer. Repairs after that were slow to occur. Gap is still closed, Art of Shaving is gone and that old jewelry store is some cheap looking perform and cologne store. Escalators seem to be out every other week. They did get a brand new set of escalators installed this past month so that's plus. I think they will have to end up doing that to the central pair also. Its still better than Quail, but if their not careful they will fall into a downward spiral.

[Roger S]

Penn Square isn't doing as great as it was a couple of years ago. They lost momentum, especially after that flood last summer. Repairs after that were slow to occur. Gap is still closed, Art of Shaving is gone and that old jewelry store is some cheap looking perform and cologne store. Escalators seem to be out every other week. They did get a brand new set of escalators installed this past month so that's plus. I think they will have to end up doing that to the central pair also. Its still better than Quail, but if their not careful they will fall into a downward spiral.

Yeah... That perfume/cologne store looks like it moved in there from Old Paris.

[bchris02]

Penn Square isn't doing as great as it was a couple of years ago. They lost momentum, especially after that flood last summer. Repairs after that were slow to occur. Gap is still closed, Art of Shaving is gone and that old jewelry store is some cheap looking perform and cologne store. Escalators seem to be out every other week. They did get a brand new set of escalators installed this past month so that's plus. I think they will have to end up doing that to the central pair also. Its still better than Quail, but if their not careful they will fall into a downward spiral.

I agree. The flood at Penn Square was a significant setback for them and it's hard to believe how long it's taken them to repair the damage. Do you have any idea why?

And I think it's getting close to do or die time for Quail Springs Mall. There is still time to right the ship, but GGP needs to realize it isn't the late '90s anymore and people want/expect different things from malls today than they did then. Thus far they haven't seemed to get the memo.

[Pete]

The parking lots at Penn Square (I live close) remain very full even now after the holidays have passed.

They have added a lot of good tenants just over the last few years: Whiskey Cake, Texas de Brazil, ThinkGeek, Madewell and one of the first totally new Apple stores. That Pottery Barn is a big, nice store as is BC Clark. Their food court is completely full and busy. The theater has been completely remodeled and seems to do well. And of course, OK's first Container Store is under construction.

The flood hurt but they seem to be about as solid as a mall can be these days.

[Roger S]

The flood hurt but they seem to be about as solid as a mall can be these days.

I think so too... I've been going over there and walking at lunch when the weather is cold and there is always a lot of people shopping and eating there.

[Zorba]

I was in QSM last week to go to a movie. It is starting too look pretty sad. I don't understand the issue. It is in a busy area and the parking lot was packed last weekend. I guess a lot of people go to the movies and nothing else. I'm sure it doesn't help that the Dillards and Penney's look terrible.

Outside of Gap taking forever to reopen, I haven't noticed much of a slip at Penn Square.