Oklahoma Factory Shoppes - I40 & Council

[Double Edge]

They've been stirring dirt over there for a month. Glad they are coming. Not so looking forward to Council/Reno/I-40 traffic turning into the same as MacArthur and Meridian since I go through there once a day or so.

[onthestrip]

This may not be super exciting on a personal level for some, but it's really good for OKC's tax revenue. Up til now, with the exception of the Quail Springs area, all the retail development in the outer ring has gone to the suburb cities.

Yes, in reality this is a very big deal for the city. These outlet malls draw people from outside of OKC which in turn will give us millions in new tax dollars. Not to mention this is the biggest commercial retail development OKC has seen in a long time.

[metro]

Was reading in the new OKC Biz. Says they have Saks off 5th, Brooks Brothers, Tommy Hilfiger, Jones NY, Nine West, Nike, Carter's, Banana Republic, Gap, Coach and others confirmed, 80% leased.

[ourulz2000]

This is the final death nail in the coffin for Gainesville Prime Outlets. They had been living off Oklahoma for years. DFW folk who were going there, now go to San Marcus Outlets which are much much better.

[Kerry]

This is the final death nail in the coffin for Gainesville Prime Outlets. They had been living off Oklahoma for years. DFW folk who were going there, now go to San Marcus Outlets which are much much better.

Who is going to ride the Heartland Flyer now?

[metro]

This is the final death nail in the coffin for Gainesville Prime Outlets. They had been living off Oklahoma for years. DFW folk who were going there, now go to San Marcus Outlets which are much much better.

Uh, DFW has all the shopping under the sun, not to mention Grapevine Mills. I doubt too many of them are shopping there unless they are headed to SA or Austin.

[HOT ROD]

metro, while I agree with you - I think OUrulz was referring to Gainsville Outlets and the fact that OKC people have been going there but now with OKC's new Outlet Center. That AND considering the fact that DFW people (outlet shoppers) probably now go to San Marcus - it would be the death of Gainsville.

[Easy180]

Probably be similar to the death of Winstar once Tx allows casinos

[Rover]

Dallas has had Grapevine Mills for quite awhile. It is what seemed to kill it. OKC won't help, that's for sure. Gainseville will still draw from their immediate area, but not like 10 years ago.

[HOT ROD]

yep, with OKC gettin an outlet, there's no reason for OK people to go down there anymore.

Does Tulsa have an outlet mall or will OKC's be the ONLY in the state? Does Kansas (Wichita area) have one?

[oakhollow]

Anyone know if there is going to be a Columbia store?

[progressiveboy]

yep, with OKC gettin an outlet, there's no reason for OK people to go down there anymore.

Does Tulsa have an outlet mall or will OKC's be the ONLY in the state? Does Kansas (Wichita area) have one?

Tulsa does not have an outlet mall. This will be the only one in the State. As far as OK people going down to Texas for outlet shopping, I can see it still happening as Grapvine Mills has Neiman's Last Call and Allen Mall having Nordstrom Rack, if I am not mistaken. If it is not there in Allen then Nordstrom Rack is on Park Lane in Dallas. The outlet mall in OKC is not going to have either one of them.

[HOT ROD]

perhaps, but it will not be in the level that it has been, and thus would severely hurt N. Texas a bit.

I think we can finally start to see the end to OKC's defacto status as "Dallas's biggest suburb." ......

[Swake2]

perhaps, but it will not be in the level that it has been, and thus would severely hurt N. Texas a bit.

I think we can finally start to see the end to OKC's defacto status as "Dallas's biggest suburb." ......

Um, Fort Worth is quite a bit larger than Oklahoma City

[circuitboard]

Um, Fort Worth is quite a bit larger than Oklahoma City

Eh. It's not that much bigger really....

Fort Worth Population
- City 727,575
Oklahoma City Population
- City 560,332

[mikesimpsons82]

Eh. It's not that much bigger really....

Fort Worth Population
- City 727,575
Oklahoma City Population
- City 560,332

Only a nearly 30% difference? That's nothing.

[HOT ROD]

Swake, I was referring to the cliche (sp?) that some Texans often say, that "OKC is Dallas' biggest suburb" due to their economic impact on the Big D since nothing is in OKC.. ...

Ft Worth may have a larger central city but OKC's metro population (1.3M+) probably has had more of an impact on the Dallas retail economy - (hence the cliche) which I think is slowly but surely beginning to change as OKC continues to land 'big city' retail options. ...

And like others have mentioned, Ft Worth would be considered a peer of OKC (similar population) if it were not part of DFW, but since it is - - -

It's kind of like Tacoma and St. Paul, both are amazing cities on their own but due to proximity to much larger/more prominent cities - they don't get much press.

[soonerfan_in_okc]

I just got back from the Outlet mall in Allen, Texas. Was definitely impressed. Makes me excited for our nike outlet, but makes me wish we had a Polo and Adidas coming in as well.


And from what i saw, I have no idea why people from dallas would go to an outlet mall somewhere else. The one in allen was definetly top notch.

[Wishbone]

I wonder how much impact these types of malls have long term. Gainsville is all but dead. The huge mall in Stroud was all but dead before the tornado took it. I just hope 15 years from now it's still thriving.

[okc_bel_air]

Are there any updates to any new stores that have signed leases?

[onthestrip]

I wonder how much impact these types of malls have long term. Gainsville is all but dead. The huge mall in Stroud was all but dead before the tornado took it. I just hope 15 years from now it's still thriving.

Probably the reasons gainseville and stroud struggled because they were far away from larger cities. With this being in okc, it will have a steadier flow of shoppers. Plus, the stroud outlets had a terrible tenant lineup

[jbrown84]

Does Kansas (Wichita area) have one?

There's a small one in Newton, KS, I believe. About on par with the former Stroud outlet.

[flintysooner]

I've thought that the rationale for outlets was drastically diminished by the Internet.

[bluedogok]

Probably the reasons gainseville and stroud struggled because they were far away from larger cities. With this being in okc, it will have a steadier flow of shoppers. Plus, the stroud outlets had a terrible tenant lineup

That has been the trend, I think they figured out that between major markets was not optimal. Some markets have been better positioned than Gainesville, Hillsboro or Stroud or the other ones that I have seen that are located far outside major metro areas. The San Marcos outlets have been there a long time but had the luxury of both Austin and San Antonio growing into each other as well as in other directions.

[Spartan]

So, my apologies for not paying attention, but did they ever get financing..I know the city's deadline for that is coming up, and the deal was contingent on it.

They broke ground before the financing was finalized, but at the last city council meeting that this was on the agenda at, the developer promised he was working on financing.