Alley North (Old Dolese Headquarters)

[bison34]

I wonder how many on here kvetching and screaming have contacted their city councilor letting them know they want it to be more urban?

This still has to be approved by them, so you can at least try to let them know your perspective.

[BoulderSooner]

I wonder how many on here kvetching and screaming have contacted their city councilor letting them know they want it to be more urban?

This still has to be approved by them, so you can at least try to let them know your perspective.

no it really doesn't ..

a denial by them would have no legal ground to stand on ..

[bison34]

no it really doesn't ..

a denial by them would have no legal ground to stand on ..

Why? They have to submit a whole new site plan through the Planning Commission. If they say no, then there is no legal ground for them to stand on.

They submitted plans for a highly urban development, then changed to this. It WILL require a new application through Planning and then City Council.

[Rover]

Rather than speculation, does anyone on here actually know what if any obstacles this piece of development (restaurant with parking) might face with the city? I believe the zoning is okay for the use. It isn't in any design district I can see. It doesn't create environmental changes (runoff, etc.). Can the city legally stop them from building this?

[Dob Hooligan]

I'm guessing the easement prevents them from building on the western side of the property. The Alley North people might not want it butting up to their development on the south. How would it fit on the property then?

[BDP]

Rather than speculation, does anyone on here actually know what if any obstacles this piece of development (restaurant with parking) might face with the city? I believe the zoning is okay for the use. It isn't in any design district I can see. It doesn't create environmental changes (runoff, etc.). Can the city legally stop them from building this?

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure they could build a Braum's there if they wanted. And it would probably do well, too. I think the only administrative question is whether it should get TIF assistance. Not sure if it's been carved out of the $4.5 million ask.

[Pete]

There is still the formality of city council approval which means citizens could reach out to their council person and even go speak at the meeting.

But in reality, no, there aren't any barriers when something falls outside of design review boundaries. It's the same with demolition; just file a permit and it gets instantly approved (often same day).

[Mountaingoat]

I also posted this on the other thread but on the photograph and rendering Pete posted of the Pappadeaux's parcel there is a large powerline and easement between Broadway and the restaurant building. Without a complete redesign, l don't think the proposed structure would fit between Broadway and the easement.

[rte66man]

I could care less what it looks like. All I know is I'm one step closer to "pasta Mardi Gras" and a "purple voodoo" ��

Those are awesome!!

[ManAboutTown]

I drove by NW 13th and Broadway yesterday and the former Dolese building on this space was being demolished.

[citywokchinesefood]

I love being able to park in a garage compared to surface lots for the extra layer of protection against the weather, but it really isn't necessary in OKC yet. For the record I am not saying a lot of downtown surface parking is good. However, I will say that we are nowhere near the level of development as a city that would necessitate the additional cost of structured parking everywhere. I think collectively we should just appreciate what we have. I am not a construction expert, but I imagine developing a lot that is a parking garage is not all that harder than developing one that is an open field. I imagine they both have positives and negatives, but I am not an expert by any means.

[OkieBerto]

I drove by NW 13th and Broadway yesterday and the former Dolese building on this space was being demolished.

I drove by it this morning, and they are back at it. That building should be entirely down by the end of the day.

[coatesindc]

Some additional context for how the surface-parked Pappadeux's fits into a reworked site plan on CBRE's dedicated project website. My guess is that the +/-500 multifamily project becomes something more like 250-300 units and the retail gets scaled back a bit. Pivot can still fit that program in the remaining assemblage.

https://alley-north.cbre-properties.com/site-plan/

[Pete]

[coatesindc]

It's a little difficult to tell from the exhibits, but it looks as if the view terminus at the end of NW 14th Street is now the hotel rather than the community gathering space with the bandshell.

[PhiAlpha]

How will this ever work without a surface lot large enough for a small arena surrounding it?

[bamarsha]

What does the 100 keys mean?

74,000 SF at 65' x 56' would be 20 stories. Is that the weird hotel with 100 rooms (5-6 rooms per floor, depending on ground floor)? Maybe a typo, looks more like 165'x156' or something?

[Bellaboo]

What does the 100 keys mean?

74,000 SF at 65' x 56' would be 20 stories. Is that the weird hotel with 100 rooms (5-6 rooms per floor, depending on ground floor)? Maybe a typo, looks more like 165'x156' or something?

Yes, Key means room.

[bamarsha]

Also, I'm a little confused by the 4,500 SF Med Office or Retail in the bottom right... 60' x 133' = ~8,000 SF, a little over double. What's that plan, a 4500 SF building with 3500 SF parking or something? That does not appear to be consistent with how they labeled the other areas.

[bamarsha]

Yes, Key means room.

Thank you.

The dimensions still don't add up to me...

[ManAboutTown]

What does the 100 keys mean?

74,000 SF at 65' x 56' would be 20 stories. Is that the weird hotel with 100 rooms (5-6 rooms per floor, depending on ground floor)? Maybe a typo, looks more like 165'x156' or something?

It looks like it should read "165' x 56'.

[bigsmooth]

According to Evan Onstot @ KOCO, today Pappadeaux pulled out of plans to come to OKC due to "site concerns". Have you heard anything about this Pete?

[jn1780]

According to Evan Onstot @ KOCO, today Pappadeaux pulled out of plans to come to OKC due to "site concerns". Have you heard anything about this Pete?

I'm not sure what was said at the planning meeting, but it sounds like they showed a little bit of backbone and Pappadeaux threw a fit and withdrew.

[mgharfeh]

they still own land north where it’d fit in with their layout better..

[Pete]

I'm not sure what was said at the planning meeting, but it sounds like they showed a little bit of backbone and Pappadeaux threw a fit and withdrew.

This was already approved by the Planning Commission.

Just yesterday, City Council approved closing some easements as part of this project.

Not sure where KOCO is getting their info. Not saying they are wrong, I just haven't been able to find anything about this.


This site has never made much sense for Pappadeaux so if something happened, let's hope their demonstrated interest in OKC means they land in a more logical location. If not the property they own at Memorial & Portland, I'm sure The Half would perform backflips to get them.