Core to Shore

[Spartan]

Hmm..I may head down there to see what happens at council..thanks.

[Double Edge]

I watched it this morning.

[BDP]

IMO, MidTown is the key to the streetcar's success. There is sooooo much more that could be done with that district. If they try and do anything other than CBD > Deep Deuce > MidTown, then it will be way less successful than it could. Initially serving C2S would probably ensure that this project will be the end of rail in Oklahoma City. Some seem worried that it won't be used and if they run it to a district that is generations away from being viable as opposed to serving the ones that are already emerging, then it's guaranteed to fail, meanwhile killing any hope that it will be expanded in the future and maybe killing a lot of trust in the voters to ever do another MAPS type initiative. I'm sure some secretly hope that is the case.

[Just the facts]

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[SoonerBoy18]

When does the core to shore developments actually start? Do residents have to vote to approve it before they get started?

[G.Walker]

When does the core to shore developments actually start? Do residents have to vote to approve it before they get started?

MAPS3 via the Central Park will jump start Core to Shore.

[Spartan]

Doubtful. C2S is doomed.

[betts]

Doubtful. C2S is doomed.

Seriously??? You've got that much developable land adjacent to the CBD, close to Bricktown, touched by the Peake, served by the streetcar, close to the river and you think it's doomed? I think it is drought with possibility. I know eople who are renting while waiting for the first housing options to be developed. I would live there myself, should the opportunity arise.

[wschnitt]

When does the core to shore developments actually start? Do residents have to vote to approve it before they get started?

God I hope not. I think the intention was private developments.

[Spartan]

Seriously??? You've got that much developable land adjacent to the CBD, close to Bricktown, touched by the Peake, served by the streetcar, close to the river and you think it's doomed? I think it is drought with possibility. I know eople who are renting while waiting for the first housing options to be developed. I would live there myself, should the opportunity arise.

Yes, seriously. Why hasn't it developed over the last hundred years? Answer - the exact same factors that we have recreated in a frenzy of bad planning. There was a highway in the way, now there will be two, far more intrusive than the Crosstown viaduct ever was. There was a convention center in the way, now there will be an even larger one.

I don't know what OKC leaders are smoking right now honestly. Bath salts? Does bath salts make someone want to commit a C2S??

Life will be easier when the people who care so much just give up. The worthless triumvirate of Cornett, Couch, and Wenger will succeed in running OKC into the ground. It's not a question of if, but rather when. At least back when the junta was the most insidious factor in city politics, most all could still agree they were competent. OKC will start making good decisions again when it reaches rock bottom, just like in the 90s.

Sometimes I think there may not be a more hopeless city out there, but then I'm always reminded that Dallas, the city we aspire to recreate, is pretty hopeless as well. They're just 6 times larger and growing 3 times as fast as us.

[Snowman]

Why hasn't it developed over the last hundred years?

It did, your forgetting our original urban renewal plan of bulldoze and hope for development.

[Spartan]

Which by the way, let's talk about all the structures in C2S that are going to be bulldozed. Probably the Salvation Army, old Film Exchange, other buildings lining S. Broadway and S. Robinson, and probably all of SW 3rd which should be a historic district in its own right.

Shockingly enough, there is still even more de-urbanization that can occur here. We have a new rock bottom to set as our goal with wholesale 70s-style urban renewal orchestrated by people who refuse to learn from history, let alone read about it.

[betts]

Spartan, unless I've missed something, the parks subcommittee is looking at saving some of those buildings. As far as saying OKC is the most hopeless city out there, it's when people think that that we might as well give up hope. You're too young to remember Oklahoma City 30 years ago. I thought OKC was hopeless then, and am pretty astounded at what has happened since. I've had two people here in Chicago tell me they visited Oklahoma City recently and both of them commented on how "pretty" our downtown is. Now, urban and gritty might be our goal, but pretty is quite an improvement from desolate wasteland, which was my description of downtown when I moved here.

[ljbab728]

betts, Spartan is obviously just in one of his moods today. He'll get over it.

[rcjunkie]

betts, Spartan is obviously just in one of his moods today. He'll get over it.

Is your tongue still in your cheek ?

[mmonroe]

http://archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=5646

Sounds familiar....

[Just the facts]

Unless Cincinnati is going to get rid of that 318' of road space between downtown and the river it isn't going to work there either. It is sad to think that all 318' feet of road capacity could be replaced by one single lane of track 4' 8.5" wide, but they chose the 18 lanes of road instead. I had a high hopes for C2S but with the extreme width of the new I-40 I just don't see how it is going to happen.

[BoulderSooner]

those developments will be very very successful ... living between the 2 pro stadiums right next to the CBD and also next to the street car line ... it will be a home run

[Just the facts]

those developments will be very very successful ... living between the 2 pro stadiums right next to the CBD and also next to the street car line ... it will be a home run

We'll see. Philadelphia has a very similar situation - super high density development in South Philly, I-76, and then three sports stadiums. For some reason the high density doesn't cross the freeway. They also have the same thing along I-95 (high density on one side - low density on the other).

[BoulderSooner]

We'll see. Philadelphia has a very similar situation - super high density development in South Philly, I-76, and then three sports stadiums. For some reason the high density doesn't cross the freeway. They also have the same thing along I-95 (high density on one side - low density on the other).

i will also say that the bridge crossings are also pretty pedestrian friendly .... during OU/cinn we (and lots of others) walked all over the CBD and then back to the football stadium

[Just the facts]

i will also say that the bridge crossings are also pretty pedestrian friendly .... during OU/cinn we (and lots of others) walked all over the CBD and then back to the football stadium

The key to walking is having a destination to go to. If you were in downtown Cincy and there was not a game would you walk over to the stadium?

[BoulderSooner]

The key to walking is having a destination to go to. If you were in downtown Cincy and there was not a game would you walk over to the stadium?

of course not ... but if i lived next to the stadium .. and i wanted to go to a bar or grab a bite to eat i would go into down town .. or jump on the street car and go to uptown (not sure what they call it)

[Just the facts]

The presence of a streetcar does make a difference.

[Larry OKC]

<sigh> This is what I was talking about having the Streetcar going to Union Station...the fact that it went there would help make it a destination, instead of an interesting focal backdrop

[betts]

MAPS IV Larry! I should insert an evil grin smiley here, I suppose. There's only so much money, and the streetcar will stop across from the park. The park itself will be a destination, and if there's something interesting in Union Station such as a restaurant, a museum, some shopping, people will walk there during their stroll through the park. I'd like to see it used as an event center as well, as people will want to get married in the park, and it would be nice to have an adjacent reception option.