Ed Shadid Launches Formal Attack on MAPS 3 Conv Center in tandem with Mayoral Bid

[OKVision4U]

Right, it isn't 2012, and OKC ain't Boston. $30 million in Boston money- what would the conversion rate be for OKC? Ed is merely asking the pertinent questions obvious questions as should a good steward and is branded anti-mo and an obstructionist.

Funny, this reminded me of my father when I would get a "loose tooth" and he would say "Son, I just want to take a look" ...and I said " You look with your eyes, not your hands"... ouch.

[Edgar]

Merely asking a question? You think that calling for and petitioning for a full stop on MAPS is just asking a question?

Are you merely just talking out your butt?

Many would say he cares far more for his hometown than those with a personal agenda, and doesn't want the town to make a huge mistake that will forever hamstring it.

[BrettM2]

Many would say he cares far more for his hometown than those with a personal agenda, and doesn't want the town to make a huge mistake that will forever hamstring it.

Destroying the MAPS brand would do far more harm than any hotel built with the CC. This isn't about anything more than a power grab by Ed.

[betts]

Destroying the MAPS brand would do far more harm than any hotel built with the CC. This isn't about anything more than a power grab by Ed.

As well, likely, an attempt to shift attention away from the sordid details of his marriage. Guess what? It's working. At least for awhile.

[betts]

Many would say he cares far more for his hometown than those with a personal agenda, and doesn't want the town to make a huge mistake that will forever hamstring it.

That was why he never voted in a city election until he voted for himself, why he isn't on record anywhere regarding this "mistake" prior to the MAPS election? Because he cares so much for his hometown?

[PhiAlpha]

That was why he never voted in a city election until he voted for himself, why he isn't on record anywhere regarding this "mistake" prior to the MAPS election? Because he cares so much for his hometown?

Because he didn't vote on it at all and supported all MAPS projects when he ran for city council...

It's like going to a restaurant, eating all of whatever you ordered, and then telling the waiter you didn't like it and want something else.

[soonerguru]

Can we just ignore these trolls? We are being trolled by two people here. Two. Why are we allowing them to troll us so much?

[kevinpate]

Many would say he cares far more for his hometown than those with a personal agenda, and doesn't want the town to make a huge mistake that will forever hamstring it.

oh,, it won't be forever. I anticipate the voters of the city will not accept him as a new mayor, and the voters of his ward will feel the same when the seat comes up again.. And then what so many, including many past supporters, feel was the huge mistake will come to an end.

[kevinpate]

As well, likely, an attempt to shift attention away from the sordid details of his marriage. Guess what? It's working. At least for awhile.

Hmmm, almost forgot about that angle. But is that something a wall punching, porn watching, drug user, wife hurting, progressive pretending, grandstanding, say one thing and do another thing sort of person would really try?

I guess folks who are being asked to vote will need to ponder stuff like that, given all the media reports and such.

[Edgar]

hey, isn't Sacramento the NBA city oft compared to OKC?
Sacramento's Convention Center money pit | CalWatchDog

[catch22]

Another insightful post by Edgar.

Everyone enjoys your contributions. We voted for it. We need a new convention center. Pretty much all of city services don't provide income. That's why we pay taxes, so we can have public spaces that either don't generate revenue at all, or don't generate enough revenue. And that is fine.

Your bus fare does not cover the cost of your trip.
Your roads do not cover the cost to build and maintain them.
The streetcar will not provide enough revenue to build, operate, and maintain it.
The fire department does not collect revenue to cover the costs to operate
The police department does not collect enough revenue to cover the costs to operate
The parks department does not collect enough revenue to operate and maintain its parks
The city council costs us money to govern over our city, while those people do not directly fund their paychecks
The convention center does not collect enough revenue to operate and maintain itself

BUT, I am glad we have all of those things. I am glad my taxes go to fund those, and the many other things my city does for the citizens.

[soonerguru]

The Journal Record weighs in on MAPS, the Convention Center, and the mayoral campaign. Nice editorial, but not for Ed Shadid.

Editorial: MAPS to success | The Journal Record

[Bellaboo]

hey, isn't Sacramento the NBA city oft compared to OKC?
Sacramento's Convention Center money pit | CalWatchDog

Edgar,

You wouldn't post this crap if you would read and take the time to understand it - To put it quick - Sacremento has sold bonds for the cost of the CC buildings, they use a motel/hotel tax to service the debt .

Whatever gets built for our CC will be paid for up front by the MAPS tax, no need to service the debt of the building as there is in Sactown. Now there will be operating maintenance, but not a debt load to service.

This is just you trolling again Edgar........why do you continually make a fool of yourself ?

[catch22]

In response to David Glover on the Gazzette:

David Glover,

So when Ed Shadid said he wanted to finish MAPS3 as promised does that mean he wants to complete the projects that the voters voted on;

Or, use a very legal and deceiving method of not completing certain projects, and saying he fulfilled the promise because the MAPS 3 ballot did not specifically cite the projects.

Also David, city council passed a resolution on Sept 29, 2009, a full 70 days before the MAPS 3 vote, which specifically outlined the projects. You can find the BALLOT, the RESOLUTION, and EXHIBIT A which clearly define what was being proposed, and what the voters would get.

To go against the will of the people, is completely stupid. To say the people were too stupid to know better, is idiotic. You and Ed Shadid are playing with fire, the people will not be happy if their trust is crossed.

http://www.okc.gov/maps3/maps3resolution.pdf

[Edgar]

Edgar,

You wouldn't post this crap if you would read and take the time to understand it - To put it quick - Sacremento has sold bonds for the cost of the CC buildings, they use a motel/hotel tax to service the debt .

Whatever gets built for our CC will be paid for up front by the MAPS tax, no need to service the debt of the building as there is in Sactown. Now there will be operating maintenance, but not a debt load to service.

This is just you trolling again Edgar........why do you continually make a fool of yourself ?

no it's operating deficits. The $50million to $200million mentioned in bonds is for the proposed expansion of the cc because Sacrameto is losing out on all sorts of big conventions unless they expand.

[Edgar]

Another insightful post by Edgar.

Everyone enjoys your contributions. We voted for it. We need a new convention center. Pretty much all of city services don't provide income. That's why we pay taxes, so we can have public spaces that either don't generate revenue at all, or don't generate enough revenue. And that is fine.

Your bus fare does not cover the cost of your trip.
Your roads do not cover the cost to build and maintain them.
The streetcar will not provide enough revenue to build, operate, and maintain it.
The fire department does not collect revenue to cover the costs to operate
The police department does not collect enough revenue to cover the costs to operate
The parks department does not collect enough revenue to operate and maintain its parks
The city council costs us money to govern over our city, while those people do not directly fund their paychecks
The convention center does not collect enough revenue to operate and maintain itself

BUT, I am glad we have all of those things. I am glad my taxes go to fund those, and the many other things my city does for the citizens.

That's the problem, with the cc sucking the lion's share of tax revenues, it's over 75% in Sac, hardly be any left over to pay Councilman Shadid's salary.

[betts]

In response to David Glover on the Gazzette:

David Glover,

So when Ed Shadid said he wanted to finish MAPS3 as promised does that mean he wants to complete the projects that the voters voted on;

Or, use a very legal and deceiving method of not completing certain projects, and saying he fulfilled the promise because the MAPS 3 ballot did not specifically cite the projects.

Also David, city council passed a resolution on Sept 29, 2009, a full 70 days before the MAPS 3 vote, which specifically outlined the projects. You can find the BALLOT, the RESOLUTION, and EXHIBIT A which clearly define what was being proposed, and what the voters would get.

To go against the will of the people, is completely stupid. To say the people were too stupid to know better, is idiotic. You and Ed Shadid are playing with fire, the people will not be happy if their trust is crossed.

http://www.okc.gov/maps3/maps3resolution.pdf

That's just bull**** (wonder where the stars will show up). David Glover, whom I'm sure reads here, don't you realize this little semantics manipulation makes you and Ed no better than the city officials you criticize? In other words, as Ed's behavior has indicated time and time again: "Do as I say, not as I do." He's more deceitful and manipulative than any other elected official I've encountered. Now, I have no contact with any members of the US Congress. My son tells me there are some people who fit the definition of sociopath in office there. But more and more, I'm wondering if that's what we have here. "Ed for dictator?"

[Edgar]

The Journal Record weighs in on MAPS, the Convention Center, and the mayoral campaign. Nice editorial, but not for Ed Shadid.

Editorial: MAPS to success | The Journal Record

Shocking take coming from a chamber journal.
The guy even admits the public was kept in the dark. "whether the details of the hotel component were clear enough is subjective" say no more

[BDP]

Great post BDP. Do you mind if I repost that to Facebook?

Sure. go for it.

[shawnw]

say no more

Except he did say more. You just selectively used the parts you liked. Here, let me do it also:

"the need for a new convention center is clear, and the effort to quash it is not in the city’s best interest"

[Jeepnokc]

That's the problem, with the cc sucking the lion's share of tax revenues, it's over 75% in Sac, hardly be any left over to pay Councilman Shadid's salary.

That's fine as he hasn't really earned his salary in my opinion

[BDP]

Ed is merely asking the pertinent questions obvious questions as should a good steward and is branded anti-mo and an obstructionist.

He is actively working to block the completion of MAPS 3. What do you call someone who blocks or interrupts a process?

[betts]

That's the problem, with the cc sucking the lion's share of tax revenues, it's over 75% in Sac, hardly be any left over to pay Councilman Shadid's salary.

The City of OKC has an operating budget of almost a billion dollars. Tax revenues from the MAPS Sales tax alone is over $100 million annually. It would take about 12% of a dedicated penny sales tax to cover operations and maintenance, even if the convention center lost $15 million dollars annually. But, since we pay for our buildings ahead of time, without debt service, that would mean that the building would cost $15 million to maintain and operate above and beyond any revenue generated by the convention center. Even were that true, no one would say it was sucking the lions' share of tax revenues here in OKC. If Sacramento only generates 21 million in tax revenues annually ($16 million losses in Sacramento could only be 75% of tax revenues if this is the amount generated), then they have a problem. But you were either misreading or fudging the truth above (No!). They're talking about the Sacramento CC costs as requiring 80% of the hotel tax, not tax revenues as a whole.

"The [Sacramento] convention center expansion and theater rehab would be financed almost entirely with new city borrowings." Again, you either truly don't understand how MAPS projects are financed, or you're hoping no one notices when you misrepresent data here.


Edgar, I hope your mother isn't 80. Because that would mean you have to be at least 24, given the oldest maternal age recorded in the Guinness Book of World Records. I'm very hopeful that you have many, many years of school ahead of you. And I sincerely hope you're writing Ed's campaign ads, because they're going to be a cinch to tear apart.

[OSUFan]

Ed can play his role and be the contrarian. I don't really care. Maybe we need more of that. I do have a big problem with Ed telling me I'm not smart enough to know what I voted for. Just because he didn't take any interest in OKC back then doesn't mean no one else did.

[Bellaboo]

no it's operating deficits. The $50million to $200million mentioned in bonds is for the proposed expansion of the cc because Sacrameto is losing out on all sorts of big conventions unless they expand.

Don't you think that they sold bonds for the first round ?

These watch people are not going to say anything unless they can make it look in their favor.