McNellie's

[Joe Kimball]

I went Friday. I just realized for the first tme they use cheater "pint" glasses. I will be going back almost never because of this.

Does this apply to Guinness as well? The norm (I say this loosely) is to use a 20 ounce glass, which is advertised as such.

[Ezrablum]

Really? Hmm. Did they ask you how you wanted it?

Nope. It just came that way. Cooked to perfection.

I went Friday. I just realized for the first tme they use cheater "pint" glasses. I will be going back almost never because of this.

LOL! I don't think you know what you are talking about. As for me though, I buy a lot of beer in bottles. Can't go wrong with that. And they have a good selection of bottled beer. I recommend the South Hampton Double White.

[OKCMallen]

Does this apply to Guinness as well? The norm (I say this loosely) is to use a 20 ounce glass, which is advertised as such.

My girlfriend ordered a drink with Guinness and it came in a promotional glass, not their glassware, so the pour may have been more generous.

LOL! I don't think you know what you are talking about. As for me though, I buy a lot of beer in bottles. Can't go wrong with that. And they have a good selection of bottled beer. I recommend the South Hampton Double White.

Why do you think I don't? Check out the glass bottom on one of their glasses the next time you're in there. It's that big to add weight and decrease volume. You get less beer. I don't like that.

[BoulderSooner]

Does this apply to Guinness as well? The norm (I say this loosely) is to use a 20 ounce glass, which is advertised as such.

the guinness is in a full size guinness pint glass ...

[JerzeeGrlinOKC]

[QUOTE=Ezrablum;326763]Nope. It just came that way. Cooked to perfection.QUOTE]

Darn. Maybe they just don't like me. All I ever get is an overcooked hockey puck.

[Ezrablum]

My girlfriend ordered a drink with Guinness and it came in a promotional glass, not their glassware, so the pour may have been more generous.




Why do you think I don't? Check out the glass bottom on one of their glasses the next time you're in there. It's that big to add weight and decrease volume. You get less beer. I don't like that.

I just feel like you are splitting hairs here.

[OKCMallen]

I just feel like you are splitting hairs here.

1. Then you should say that instead of being mildly insulting that I don't know what I'm talking about.

2. If you think it's cool that pubs serve you beer in glassware that is intended to fool you on how much you're getting, then that is fine. I just think it's bordering on dishonest, and I don't want to spend my money there if I can go someplace else for the same price and get a full serving.

[Matt]

KFOR actually ran a story last night about these two barflies who were going around town determining which places sold "honest" pints and which ones were using cheaters. Brought their little measuring cup and everything. They went to like fifteen places and found eleven were honest (including Sean Cummings and Tapwerks). Of course they didn't mention what four places were using cheaters, which would have been helpful.

[Ezrablum]

1. Then you should say that instead of being mildly insulting that I don't know what I'm talking about.

2. If you think it's cool that pubs serve you beer in glassware that is intended to fool you on how much you're getting, then that is fine. I just think it's bordering on dishonest, and I don't want to spend my money there if I can go someplace else for the same price and get a full serving.

CAN you go someplace else and for the same price get a "full serving"?
CAN YOU?

Are these places, like McNellie's and other bars who use "cheater" glasses, advertising it as a pint glass? Or are you, the consumer, assuming it is a 16 oz. glass?

"When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me."

Every bar and restaurant that I have ever been to in the United States of America has had different prices for their drinks. And many of them have had different sized glasses. One of my favorite whole-in-the-walls had the tiny little 10oz beer glass for a "small" ($1.50) and a gigantic 32 oz plastic mug for the "large" ($3.00). Different places have different prices and even specials. If you go into Bricktown Brewery they might be selling a glass of draw beer for $2, which is a steal for a delicious locally brewed beer, imo. In this country a business may choose the price that they want to charge for any given amount of liquid.


No one says they have to sell you a "pint", a.k.a. 16 oz, from the draft. The fact that you are expecting 16 ounces of beer and foam when you order a beer from the draft is laughable. And I stand by my previous comments.

Your argument is petty and your "moral outrage" fatuous.

[OKCMallen]

CAN you go someplace else and for the same price get a "full serving"?
CAN YOU?

Are these places, like McNellie's and other bars who use "cheater" glasses, advertising it as a pint glass? Or are you, the consumer, assuming it is a 16 oz. glass?

"When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me."

Every bar and restaurant that I have ever been to in the United States of America has had different prices for their drinks. And many of them have had different sized glasses. One of my favorite whole-in-the-walls had the tiny little 10oz beer glass for a "small" ($1.50) and a gigantic 32 oz plastic mug for the "large" ($3.00). Different places have different prices and even specials. If you go into Bricktown Brewery they might be selling a glass of draw beer for $2, which is a steal for a delicious locally brewed beer, imo. In this country a business may choose the price that they want to charge for any given amount of liquid.


No one says they have to sell you a "pint", a.k.a. 16 oz, from the draft. The fact that you are expecting 16 ounces of beer and foam when you order a beer from the draft is laughable. And I stand by my previous comments.

Your argument is petty and your "moral outrage" fatuous.

1. Yes.

2. No one is worried about impressing you.

3. Then why do they make cheater glasses, and why does McNellie's choose to use them? That's intentional. Explain it to me. Tell me how that's not intentional deception.

4. I understand they can do that all they want. No one said they can't. But as much as they can do that as they want, I'm allowed to have an opinion on it, and like I said, I'm going to try avoiding going there. No one is filing a lawsuit here. I just think it's bollocks. Nothing laughable about wanting the generally-accepted and generally-expected volume of beer. If I order a bottle, I'm going to expect 12oz. If I see pint glasses, I'm going to expect that he glass doesn't have an unusually large and tall glass base to it.

Why do you care so much where I choose to drink my beer? I'm not a huge fan of McNellie's anyway generally, although I'm glad it's in Midtown. No one's starting a big deal here. Well, except you. You make zero points which refute my stance, which is largely based on opinion and preference. Do you think your messageboard skills are going to persuade me to go back to McNellie's? All you persuaded me to do is think you're a dick. Which didn't take much persuading from your previous posts.

If nothing else, I'm motivated to take my own measuring cup to different places, including McNellie's, like the KFOR people, and see the comparison.

So, again, explain to me why a place would use cheater glasses?

[OKCMallen]

I just want to gush about Mcnellie's for a second. This place rules. I have been going there on Wednesday nights for several weeks now. Their burgers are delicious, and on Wednesday nights .... well you just can't beat the $3 price tag.

You get a choice for your cheese (I like swiss) and you can get half sweet potato fries and half regular fries if you feel like mixing it up.

With an astounding beer collection, Mcnellies just can't be beat. nom, nom, nom

See you next Wednesday?

I would like to know, for the sake of reference, where you like to go to get a really good hamburger. I need to know what sort of standards I am missing out on. I just called to verify and they told me their meat is never frozen and is delivered fresh from local sources. That's a standard that I hold when looking for a good burger. For the price the only competition you might find is from one of the freeze-dried national corporate big chains, and I do not support them or their disgusting excuse for all-beef patties.

Is it the best burger I have ever tasted? No. Is it pretty decent? Yes. Is it affordable? Most definitely.

The last few times I have gone, it was not cooked to "well done". It had a nice thin pink line in the middle.

LOL! I don't think you know what you are talking about. As for me though, I buy a lot of beer in bottles. Can't go wrong with that. And they have a good selection of bottled beer. I recommend the South Hampton Double White.

You clearly work for them or are interested somehow. Or are just a blind McNellie's apologist. Hell, your first post on the thread was basically advertising! In any case, your credibility is shot. Heh.

[betts]

I don't know about glass sizes, but I don't work for McNellie's and I absolutely love love love their patty melt and the beer choices I can get there. It's definitely on the rotation at my house. And, the weather is now getting to the point where it's a bike ride away, which makes it even more appealing.

[OKCMallen]

I've only had good food experiences with McNellie's. I think my favorite thing of theirs, while simple, are the fried pickles!

[Fastfwd]

Yes, the ‘cheater glasses’ they use are a big deal…… it’s dishonest. I was going to post a link to their page where it said since the opening to ‘come have a pint with us’, but they apparently must have caught flack over it and removed it with the new website design.

‘Cheater glasses’ are a bigger story than the Channel 4 local news. It’s been covered by the Wall Street Journal as well:

A Pint-Size Problem - WSJ.com

When paying the prices that they get for craft beer….. you ought to be getting a full pint. It’s my understanding that in the UK this is a really major deal.

MPs Rally Behind Call for a Full Pint 15/12/2004 - CAMRA

I went with friends for a birthday celebration yesterday and they served me my Youngs Double Chocolate in a full pint glass……LOL, the kicker here is that it’s supposed to be served in a 20 oz glass….. I guess the best they could muster was to not screw me out of six full ounces. I didn’t make a fuss over it though. The poor waitress already had her hands full with our little celebration.

Republic is supposed to use full pint glasses, but they’ve started in with tacking on that retarded ‘bar tax’ that I used to see down at the Library. I’d love to hear what that’s supposed to be. I can’t really make heads or tails of what comprises it. I’ll get a .50 charge on a six dollar beer and then last night it looks like we had $22.50 in beer and the bar tax was $1.59?

[Martin]

i'm unfamiliar with the term 'bar tax'... are we talking about some form of mandatory gratuity? -M

[OKCMallen]

Yes, the ‘cheater glasses’ they use are a big deal…… it’s dishonest. I was going to post a link to their page where it said since the opening to ‘come have a pint with us’, but they apparently must have caught flack over it and removed it with the new website design.

‘Cheater glasses’ are a bigger story than the Channel 4 local news. It’s been covered by the Wall Street Journal as well:

A Pint-Size Problem - WSJ.com

When paying the prices that they get for craft beer….. you ought to be getting a full pint. It’s my understanding that in the UK this is a really major deal.

MPs Rally Behind Call for a Full Pint 15/12/2004 - CAMRA

I went with friends for a birthday celebration yesterday and they served me my Youngs Double Chocolate in a full pint glass……LOL, the kicker here is that it’s supposed to be served in a 20 oz glass….. I guess the best they could muster was to not screw me out of six full ounces. I didn’t make a fuss over it though. The poor waitress already had her hands full with our little celebration.

Republic is supposed to use full pint glasses, but they’ve started in with tacking on that retarded ‘bar tax’ that I used to see down at the Library. I’d love to hear what that’s supposed to be. I can’t really make heads or tails of what comprises it. I’ll get a .50 charge on a six dollar beer and then last night it looks like we had $22.50 in beer and the bar tax was $1.59?

I think most people agree cheater glasses are uncool, except ezrablum, who apparently in his infinite wisdom prefers paying more for less.


I've never understood the bar tax, either. Hard to figure out since some receipts don't separate it out for you to see.

[Fastfwd]

i'm unfamiliar with the term 'bar tax'... are we talking about some form of mandatory gratuity? -M

I don't think they did it when they first started. I didn't notice it until recenlty, but it's listed after the subtotal and tax - BAR SALES TAX.

The Library does it too. It just stings a bit when Republic is already charging premium prices on their beers to not have all taxes incorporated.

I think I actually read on Beeradvocate that the owner of McNellies stated that he was forced into using the 'cheater glasses' becuase of the higher Oklahoma taxes on beer than what other states have.

I don't know.....it's lame though.

I have my reciept with me and it looks like maybe they don't charge it on 3.2 beers, but on the $19 that the other beers cost - it equals 12%....and that would be the same percentage as the .50 on the six dollar beer.

LOL - which just so happens to be almost exactly the difference between a 16oz serving and a 14oz serving......

[OKCMallen]

I don't think they did it when they first started. I didn't notice it until recenlty, but it's listed after the subtotal and tax - BAR SALES TAX.

The Library does it too. It just stings a bit when Republic is already charging premium prices on their beers to not have all taxes incorporated.

I think I actually read on Beeradvocate that the owner of McNellies stated that he was forced into using the 'cheater glasses' becuase of the higher Oklahoma taxes on beer than what other states have.

I don't know.....it's lame though.

I have my reciept with me and it looks like maybe they don't charge it on 3.2 beers, but on the $19 that the other beers cost - it equals 12%....and that would be the same percentage as the .50 on the six dollar beer.

LOL - which just so happens to be almost exactly the difference between a 16oz serving and a 14oz serving......

Mid might know better, but I think the bar tax is an actual additional state or local tax levied on alcohol sales. Some places just don't separate it out on their receipts and we don't notice it.

As for McNellie's- OK, so their business model is now that they serve less beer than the expected pour. Got it!

[Fastfwd]

I went with friends for a birthday celebration yesterday and they served me my Youngs Double Chocolate in a full pint glass……LOL, the kicker here is that it’s supposed to be served in a 20 oz glass….. I guess the best they could muster was to not screw me out of six full ounces. I didn’t make a fuss over it though. The poor waitress already had her hands full with our little celebration.

I need to correct this….. I should know better as I went to the pint night and have the glass, but I believe that those Young’s pint glasses are from the UK and are indeed imperial pints…… oops!

[OKCMallen]

Yeah, you're going to be way better off at McNellie's with promotional glassware.

[Midtowner]

Mid might know better, but I think the bar tax is an actual additional state or local tax levied on alcohol sales. Some places just don't separate it out on their receipts and we don't notice it.

As for McNellie's- OK, so their business model is now that they serve less beer than the expected pour. Got it!

This is an incomplete answer based upon about 15 minutes of glancing through the municipal code and Oklahoma Tax Commission Regulations and the statutes.

There are numerous fees, both at the state and municipal level collected as occupational fees and fees for being able to sell certain types of alcohol, a big 'ol protectionist wholesaler fee (costs $10K to get that license). On top of that, there is (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) a 13.5% sales tax on all alcoholic beverages except for beer with 3.2% alcohol content and below.

So in practice, if you order a pitcher of Coors Light, you won't see the alcoholic beverage tax. If you order a pitcher of Coop DNR, you will pay 13.5%, plus I believe the ordinary sales tax [don't see why not, but I haven't researched that].

[Ezrablum]

Do you think your messageboard skills are going to persuade me to go back to McNellie's?

You admire my message board skills? You're so sweet.


Actually, my initial purpose was to call you out for being a Negative Nancy in an otherwise generally positive thread about a local establishment. After that, I really didn't have much of a plan.


If you plan on never coming back, then that's good for me as I won't have to worry about running into you and overhear you giving some diatribe against beer glass sizes to a poor sap who feels sorry enough to listen. I haven't been in a couple of weeks though. Too much of a good thing I suppose.

[Martin]

ezrablum, you are responding to something from around two weeks ago. time to move on.

back to topic. -M

[MIKELS129]

I love McNellie's BLT. I think they use apple maple cured bacon. Heaven!!!

[Pete]

McNellie's listed as most popular bar in Oklahoma:

America's Most Popular Bars In 2013