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[Rover]

Funny Zoo, you say it isn't personal, but it sure reads like it. Particularly with Aubrey. .

By the way, many oil companies, including our own, have spent the last couple of years trying to balance their gas reserves and their oil.

[Plutonic Panda]

I'll be back with more later (don't have time right this second) because it bothers me that people fail to see the dangers to Oklahoma City with no plans in a desk drawer somewhere.

Here's the problem with what PWitty is saying, and I have to hurry - forgive any typos, etc. He is making excuses for the production drops, even conservative writers are starting to ask the tough questions about production levels.

First - what is a bubble? Value held in the stock market that's based on NOTHING, or perceived value that turned out to not be what everyone thought it was. The shale gas plays - the respective companies involved have all promised, to irresponsible levels, down to figures, and the number of years of "independence" that are in these big shale gas plays. Is it there? If it is - belly up to the bar and show us, quit making excuses about prices, etc. All the market knows is that, for whatever reason (and that is a key), it's beginning to look like the value that so many have invested in - is simply not there. If it is not - what happens? Millions (billions and billions of dollars) flee from these companies (many based right here in Oklahoma City) who have sold a bill of goods based on false value. It wasn't the intention - it was just new - and nobody realized how quickly these things dry up. Why the dismantling, PWitty? If they're just waiting for prices....I could go on.

As for doom and gloom. It's called financial responsibility. Many have poured billions of dollars into the trust of those numbers. If the value isn't there, as more and more people are questioning - bubble burst. Just like the the Internet bust, the housing bust (which triggered a domino effect).

Frankly, I don't need a lecture about boom and bust and doom and gloom. I lived through the eighties. We all saw the 2007 bust. Many right here on this forum insisted that Aubrey McClendon could do no wrong, that rumors about how he played the game were false and that McClendon would be at Chesapeake as long as he wanted to be there. He's lucky to be a free man and not in prison. Some of the very same names in this thread argued that those who were speaking the truth about McClendon before anything hit any media at all were "doom and gloomers" pushing the same old fears.

For whatever reason. That is so important as people make decisions as to whether the value is there or is simply "funny money." The consequences are bigger than anybody here could possibly imagine. Look away and make fun of the doomsayers, call them less than kind words. The warning signs are all there. They are lining up. Don't say anybody at OKCTalk wasn't asked to begin thinking of how we deal with a possible shale bubble burst. Or, we can shut our eyes, like many of you did with Aubrey McClendon at Chesapeake.

Nothing personal. Nothing partisan. I am worried - that's all.

Oh....PWitty wrote: "I'm just trying to bring an educated perspective to the table to combat all the doom-and-gloom articles that I see posted on here from time-to-time. In the end, you're free to believe whatever you want." Its is NOT a matter of "believing" one side or the other. There is staggering amounts of value (money) underneath - or there is not. We won't "believe" anything - we will all learn one way or the other. With all due respect your "educated perspective," is nothing more than PR spin from the same people who may have oversold dramatically the value that is there - or is not there. Period.

Have you not seen the diversification that is going on here? If anything, I would be worried more about the collapse of Tinker and other government jobs than I would o&g for OKC, but that's my opinion and isn't really backed up by anything solid.

I agree with PWitty and it is obvious he really knows what he's talking about. I don't see him making any comments that read as if he is making excuses or being against OKC diversifying its economy.

Have a look at the expanding manufacturing base that is being added. The Will Rodgers Eastside development has a lot of new offices planned for aerospace jobs. OKC is also growing in Biotech as well. The one I wish OKC would really get is high-tech jobs, but other than that, I'd venture to say we have really diversified lately.

I agree with PWitty.

[zookeeper]

PWitty, I said nothing about Aubrey McClendon that others in the industry don't believe. He is lucky to have escaped prison. I think McClendon knows he's lucky. Of course, Chesapeake is still having to fight lawsuits brought against the company for shenanigans during his reign. I just told the truth, and it's not personal, just the truth.

Whatever, PluPan. Half the time I'm lost within the first few lines of your posts. It's certainly not a serious part of this discussion.

The latest news on this issue:

Fracking for Shale Gas: The new dot.com/subprime mortgage bubble?

I hope some of you are open-minded enough to seriously consider the ramifications. We have not diversified enough to keep another energy bust (from whatever sector) from leaving Oklahoma City in the dust. This is the last thing we want. But turning the other way because we don't want to hear it is not helpful.

A contingency plan for dealing with the ramifications to Oklahoma City must be drawn up. Hopefully to never be used.

[Plutonic Panda]

I'm lost within the first few lines of your posts. It's certainly not a serious part of this discussion.

I appreciate it.

[PWitty]

So, let me get this straight. You think that the folks in the investment community, who are investing their own money in these companies, want all these operators to continue to ramp up production and intentionally lose money (assuming the prices/demand aren't there to support increased production) just to prove to the world that these reservoirs have the reserves that the companies claim they have?

You clearly have some personal bias towards the industry, and CHK and Aubrey McClendon in particular, because most of your response is more aimed at slandering them than arguing anything I've said.

[zookeeper]

Personal decision. Please respect my decision. Good luck to you all.

[PhiAlpha]

Double post

[PhiAlpha]

Personal decision. Please respect my decision. Good luck to you all.

You're bailing on OKCtalk because people disagree with you? Not to disrespect your decision, but that seems like a weak way to exit a discussion. As I found from stupidly venturing into the politics section for the political earthquake thread, It's completely possible to agree to disagree and move on...even if the people you're having the discussion with are acting like complete jackasses (for the record, I don't think anything anyone has said here fits that description, nor do I put you in that category after our previous discussions). If you're going to throw an opinion out there, be prepared for people to disagree with it.

I would like to respond to your earlier post as well, I just haven't had time to read through the articles and put something together. I largely agree with PWitty, but I think there is definitely some validity to both sides of this argument.

[onthestrip]

Not sure about any bubbles buts whats with CHK and SD stock? They both hit 52 week highs less than 3 months ago and now are at or near 52 week lows.

[gopokes88]

Not sure about any bubbles buts whats with CHK and SD stock? They both hit 52 week highs less than 3 months ago and now are at or near 52 week lows.

Look at the price of oil.

[PhiAlpha]

Not sure about any bubbles buts whats with CHK and SD stock? They both hit 52 week highs less than 3 months ago and now are at or near 52 week lows.

The reduction in the price of both oil and natural gas as well as the general downward trend in the market over the last few months are mostly to blame. It has negatively affected most energy stocks, not just CHK and SD.

[Bellaboo]

The reduction in the price of both oil and natural gas as well as the general downward trend in the market over the last few months are mostly to blame. It has negatively affected most energy stocks, not just CHK and SD.

Article the other day how XOM has last 36 billion market cap since May.... all due to price decline.

[PhiAlpha]

Article the other day how XOM has last 36 billion market cap since May.... all due to price decline.

Yep, it's defintely affecting everyone. Hasn't seemed to hurt drilling activity much yet so hopefully it stays that way

[gopokes88]

Oil stocks are just on sale. No big deal.

[Laramie]

DUG Oil and Gas Conference leaving Tulsa for Oklahoma City in 2015


DUG is an acronym for Developing Unconventional oil and Gas, such as horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing in shale rock formations.

The DUG Midcontinent Energy Conference, which originated in Tulsa nearly two years ago, will be moving to Oklahoma City next year, the event’s organizers announced on Tuesday.

Attendance had grown 25 percent and exhibitors by 60 percent in Tulsa, but Hart Energy was persuaded to move the DUG Midcontinent to Oklahoma City after multiple requests from local companies. Oklahoma City is the home of large companies such as Devon Energy, SandRidge Energy, Continental Resources and Chesapeake.

“Among the options we’re considering is an alternating schedule for DUG Midcontinent (between Tulsa and OKC),” Salerno said in an email to the Tulsa World. “We’ve also had discussions with VisitTulsa about another, different conference and exhibition in Tulsa — but we’re not ready to elaborate on those plans just yet.”

DUG Oil and Gas Conference leaving Tulsa for Oklahoma City in 2015 - Tulsa World: Energy

Oklahoma City could become the future home to many energy conferences which bring exhibitors. We need to put a top one priority on the new convention center complex.

[ou48A]

When you know as much as PWitty you don’t need to read the links to know what you are talking about.
Odds are that he and several others here know more about the industry than most of the people who just write about it.
Some of us have lived it. I appreciate their perspective.

[gopokes88]

Oil in a free fall. Energy stocks are on sale big time. Cheseapeake at $19/share

[s00nr1]

$18.50 is my level on CHK to load up.

[ou48A]

Oil stocks are just on sale. No big deal.

Unfortunately unless the Saudis change their policy the oil price decline looks like it’s going to be a very big deal for the next few months and perhaps next few years. The Saudis have usually trimmed or increased its production to control prices. Right now the world is awash in crude… Drill baby drill worked so well the Saudis are now driving crude prices down to recapture market share.
They are going to try and drive crude that has higher production cost off the market…. They have done this before.

The stronger dollar and lower demanded from China and Europe has helped weaken prices.
There is some thought that crude prices are being lowered to punish Russia and ISIS?

If the decline continues for very much longer it’s going to seriously impact our state’s economy and tax revenue.
The good news is that the lower crude prices should help stimulate the broader national economy. Many people will enjoy the lower fuel cost and have a little more money to spend.

[gopokes88]

Unfortunately unless the Saudis change their policy the oil price decline looks like it’s going to be a very big deal for the next few months and perhaps next few years. The Saudis have usually trimmed or increased its production to control prices. Right now the world is awash in crude… Drill baby drill worked so well the Saudis are now driving crude prices down to recapture market share.
They are going to try and drive crude that has higher production cost off the market…. They have done this before.

The stronger dollar and lower demanded from China and Europe has helped weaken prices.
There is some thought that crude prices are being lowered to punish Russia and ISIS?

If the decline continues for very much longer it’s going to seriously impact our state’s economy and tax revenue.
The good news is that the lower crude prices should help stimulate the broader national economy. Many people will enjoy the lower fuel cost and have a little more money to spend.

It actually will do nothing to stimulate the national economy. Instead of spending money gas people then just spend on movies. It's moving money from the right hand to the left. Although it will help improve the national mood.

It's going to stabilize soon and probably in the $84 range. It's been beaten down for weeks straight now.

OPEC will cut production next month and that will provide a floor. OPEC needs it at $100 a barrel.

American production will start to fall somewhat in the winter especially in the Bakken.

A bitter cold winter will provide even more support.

I don't think you see it dip below $75. They're still making money, just not hand over fist.

[ou48A]

It actually will do nothing to stimulate the national economy. Instead of spending money gas people then just spend on movies. It's moving money from the right hand to the left. Although it will help improve the national mood.

It's going to stabilize soon and probably in the $84 range. It's been beaten down for weeks straight now.

OPEC will cut production next month and that will provide a floor. OPEC needs it at $100 a barrel.

American production will start to fall somewhat in the winter especially in the Bakken.

A bitter cold winter will provide even more support.

I don't think you see it dip below $75. They're still making money, just not hand over fist.

In order to drive high cost crude off the market the figure I have heard is around $60.
The Saudis don’t care about the rest of OPEC. They have Iran to worry about. Low cost crude harms the Iranians a lot more than the Saudis. Harming Iran is also a very major Saudi goal. We could see the Saudis over producing for a long period of time. The Saudis have about 2.5 million barrels of spare daily capacity they could kick in anytime they want. Production cuts by other OPEC members could easily be made up for.

In the past major declines in crude oil prices has been flowed by an improved national economy with a lag time of about 6 to 9 months. But due to large heath care cost increases I don’t expect to see the same dynamic improvements that we saw in the mid 80’s and 90’s.

[Laramie]

Gas prices can sometimes be a precursor to economic trends. Let us hope for the best.

[s00nr1]

Midstream taking the brunt of the hit today.

SSE down 12%
ENLK down 7%
MMP down 7%
ACMP down 5%

[Plutonic Panda]

Oklahoma leads the nation in gypsum mining | News OK

[dankrutka]

Not sure where to put this and I don't know Devon's exact role, but the campaign has been very negative:

Frackers Have Launched an Aggressive Campaign to Kill Denton's Drilling Ban | Dallas Observer

I can't vouch for most of the info in the article though. Just thought I'd pass it along.