So much for the Earth and the universe is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old

[Garin]

Idiocracy Brawndo's Got Electrolytes - YouTube

This video sums up arguing this point.

[Chadanth]

Idiocracy Brawndo's Got Electrolytes - YouTube

This video sums up arguing this point.

Great movie. Not sure what your point is, unless it's that Idiocracy is our future if we don't educate our children in real science.

[kelroy55]

"How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”1 Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.2 A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design? "

Science is advancing everyday and only really started a few decades ago making advances, superstition has been around a few thousand years. Science guides us into the future with facts and advancement, superstition keeps us in the past believing in magical entities in the sky who get all the credit and none of the blame.

[Dubya61]

I find it somewhat sad and wrong that religion seems to equal superstition, to some. To me, religion is a constant investigation into spirituality, self awareness and ethics. If studied and investigated, why is it something akin to backwoods superstition? Why can't science and religion coexist?

[Just the facts]

Why can't science and religion coexist?

For two reasons.

1) Because some people fear the judgment so they pretend it won't take place. However, it isn't enough that they don't believe it, they don't want others to believe it either.
2) They turn to science as their 'religion' but science can't disprove the existence of God either - so they get even more disgruntled about it.

Why can't science disprove God? The answer lies in Einstein's 1st Postulate about Relativity. No experiment can be produced to either confirm or reject the hypothesis of God existence (which is Big Bang Theory 101 - Sheldon is a theoretical physicist and Leonard is an experimental physicist . Sheldon comes up with the ideas and Leonard tries to proves them wrong). In this case, there is no 'Leonard' (See Einstein Postulate 1 and the lack of an inertial frame of reference). To put it simply, to prove the existence/no existence of God you need 2 places, one with God and one without God, and since God exists everywhere (according to Christians) or nowhere (according to atheists) there is no conceivable experiment.

Now from the Christian side, both can and do exist. I go to church every Sunday since birth (with an occasional miss now and then) and I spent two years working as a Photogrammetric Scientist (actual job title). I like to think I did both with some basic level of proficiency.

[kelroy55]

I find it somewhat sad and wrong that religion seems to equal superstition, to some. To me, religion is a constant investigation into spirituality, self awareness and ethics. If studied and investigated, why is it something akin to backwoods superstition? Why can't science and religion coexist?

To me Spirituality has little to do with religion. I believe a person can have that " constant investigation into spirituality, self awareness and ethics" without having religion. Do you think they can't?

[Dubya61]

To me Spirituality has little to do with religion. I believe a person can have that " constant investigation into spirituality, self awareness and ethics" without having religion. Do you think they can't?

I think religion is the best vehicle for it, and it often becomes a religion (whether organized or not), but yes, it need not be religion.

[onthestrip]

I find it somewhat sad and wrong that religion seems to equal superstition, to some. To me, religion is a constant investigation into spirituality, self awareness and ethics. If studied and investigated, why is it something akin to backwoods superstition? Why can't science and religion coexist?

They can. But keep religion to your private lives. Its when religious people keep science classes from teaching science is when there is a problem. All science minded people do is maybe mock religious people, yet religious people actually try to control the teaching of science. They arent coexisting because of religious people, not because of scientists.

[Dubya61]

Not true and unfair to lump everyone like that.

I'm worried about a few things in life. A judgement day isn't one of them, that's for sure.

I'm not disgruntled at all. I don't have to prove anything. As we know, science at a micro level is about probabilities. That doesn't make me any less sure that if I jump in front of a moving train, physics isn't going to dash my body to pieces. Or if I jump of a building, gravity won't pull be down.

People who misuse scientific terms like theory and proof only show how little they actually paid attention when they were taught the scientific method. You go ahead and jump off of a building, but I'll stay firmly planted. Just like, I'm going to extrapolate that the laws of physics we can observe, test, and even sometimes replicate are the same ones that govern the whole universe. So sure, I can't be everywhere at once. But for so many conclusions in science, we need only be in a lab and monitor simple experiments. Thus far, we've yet to be able to observe or test conclusively any type of spirit, or god. Until that happens, I'm staying off the ledge and going to keep studying.

While I disagree with JTF that those may be the only two reasons science and religion won't (not can't) coexist (and he didn't say that they were the only two reasons), I don't think his statements are untrue (but perhaps unfair to lump everyone like that).

[Dubya61]

They can. But keep religion to your private lives. Its when religious people keep science classes from teaching science is when there is a problem. All science minded people do is maybe mock religious people, yet religious people actually try to control the teaching of science. They arent coexisting because of religious people, not because of scientists.

Not accurate. Just look at this thread and you'll see both "sides" (of completly different coins, I might add) trying to squelch the other. Very few voices acknowledging they are (IMO) completely different fields of thought.

[Just the facts]

People who misuse scientific terms like theory and proof only show how little they actually paid attention when they were taught the scientific method.

Not sure if that was directed at me or not but I know my physics pretty well. One of the great things about being a homeschool parent is that I get a constant refresher in things I might otherwise forget.

[Just the facts]

If we can't agree on what science is, the definition of scientific terms, and the scientific method is it little wonder we can't agree on God?

No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong. - Albert Einstein on being right or wrong

Read more at No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong. - Albert Einstein at BrainyQuote

Anyhow, there comes a point in every conversation when all the angles and ideas have been presented and final judgments have to be made, and I would say we are just about there with this topic. I've tried to present my views as clear and concise as I can and have nothing left to add so I will give someone else the last word.

[Stew]

Religion and science can co-exist in perfect harmony so long as you don't confuse one for the other.

Now what can't coexist in much of a working way is my fat fingers and this iPhone keyboard. That's indisputable fact.

[OKCisOK4me]

To me Spirituality has little to do with religion. I believe a person can have that " constant investigation into spirituality, self awareness and ethics" without having religion. Do you think they can't?

That's how I am! So, therefore, anyone can. That's why they have separate genres of books at Barnes & Noble or where ever....Christianity to the right, New Age to the left. I go left... although, I have read a few books from the right because you can't be against either train of thought since none can be proven until we succumb to this world.

[kelroy55]

I think religion is the best vehicle for it, and it often becomes a religion (whether organized or not), but yes, it need not be religion.

I saw this and it reminded me of our posts...