OKC/Will Rogers Air Service Discussion 2011

[venture]

PIT wouldn't be an option. US has scaled that operation way back. It is really PHL, CLT, or PHX and that is it.

[ljbab728]

PIT wouldn't be an option. US has scaled that operation way back. It is really PHL, CLT, or PHX and that is it.

I agree, PHL would be better than PIT if only due to proximity to the NE. CLT doesn't add much.

[damonsmuz]

JibJab: I know Cleveland got axed, what I am saying is that within the new merger of United/Continental, I see Cleveland getting the boot and with EWR maxed out on slots it seems, that the company would shift a lot of their operations to IAD which has room for more growth.

[ljbab728]

JibJab: I know Cleveland got axed, what I am saying is that within the new merger of United/Continental, I see Cleveland getting the boot and with EWR maxed out on slots it seems, that the company would shift a lot of their operations to IAD which has room for more growth.

Well excuse me, demons. If that's what you meant, why didn't you say that? I certainly couldn't tell by the post you made. When you say what you mean I agree with you.

[MDot]

LOL JibJab and Demons. You two were meant for each other. LOL

[damonsmuz]

Jibbers: It's all cool... just pay more attention next time

[rayhurst]

I'd much rather see AA or Jetblue to JFK/LGA. I tried to book a round trip OKC-EWR non-stop on Continental and it was $1200 a month out! A little competition to lower the price and another option to the largest city in the US would be a welcome addition.

[venture]

I'd much rather see AA or Jetblue to JFK/LGA. I tried to book a round trip OKC-EWR non-stop on Continental and it was $1200 a month out! A little competition to lower the price and another option to the largest city in the US would be a welcome addition.

I'm really shocked AA or DL haven't looked at starting New York as well. CO did start out with 2 flights a day but quickly cut it to 1. I think it is just going to be a very thin, but high yielding route.

[SkyWestOKC]

Some news from the UA/CO front:

Starting on February 16, 2012 Continental will add a mainline (737-500) to Houston, replacing one RJ. United will add one more mainline (A320) to Denver. Total of 3 mainline flights. Not sure how firm their schedule is past Mar 1, but after that it all (the new additions) goes away; most likely a dummy schedule taking over at that point. I bet when they release the Mar- schedule it will also include those changes.

[venture]

For those who like Southwest and interested in where OKC ranks in their network, here is a thread on A.net that compares all of the WN stations post-Air Tran merger.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5317220/

OKC is ranked 47th out of 110 (which will go down as they close more stations) with 22 scheduled flights for next summer.

[SkyWestOKC]

New Domestic air fare data was released for 2nd Quarter 2011. OKC numbers really are starting to look good in certain markets.

Here is the original data:
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/domfares/table6112.csv

I compiled passenger number data applicable to OKC. Note, this doesn't contain yield, market share, fare data, or other data -- just the total average passengers in a certain market. For example, 25 passengers per day between ABC and DEF means on the average day, 25 people will fly between those cities. A good average is to cut that number in half to get an average for "one-way" travel. I do not do that in my report, just the raw number rounded up or down to the nearest whole number. If you have Microsoft Excel, feel free to download. Google converted the document for web viewing. Read the remarks at the bottom of the file.

Here:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7b...BmNzgyZmYxMGMy

[SkyWestOKC]

Also would like to note, that that file is a work in progress. I have been going back through historical data back as far as it goes. I have gotten as far back as 2008, I plan to go back as far as the archives go by the end of the year, time permitting.

[venture]

Looks good! I've been wanting to put something like that together, but never have the time.

[SkyWestOKC]

Looks like February/March Delta will replace the 2 MD88's to ATL with the first departure upgauging to a 737-800 and the second departure downgauged to a CRJ-900.

It will be a net capacity loss of 62 seats. Probably a right sizing though for that time of year. Adds additional capacity on the morning departure without having too much capacity. Summer we will probably gain the second mainline again.

[BoulderSooner]

88's replaced with anything is a plus

[venture]

88's replaced with anything is a plus

Well depends. Bringing back the 727-200s and replacing them with those would be a plus, the others are just a wash. Oh how I miss them. *sigh*

[OUman]

^I've flown in both, the -88 and 722Adv. (727-200 Advanced for those who don't know aircraft codes). Personally I like them both, JT8Ds rock either way .

On the subject of DL upgrading to a 738, I think this will be the first time since about '06 when DL last had a 738 between here and SLC.

[BB37]

88's replaced with anything is a plus

What's wrong with the MD88? I flew on two of 'em this week from OKC-ATL-MLB (where I am now), and will take two more back to OKC Friday night. Give me an MD88 to ANY RJ anytime.

[venture]

^I've flown in both, the -88 and 722Adv. (727-200 Advanced for those who don't know aircraft codes). Personally I like them both, JT8Ds rock either way .

On the subject of DL upgrading to a 738, I think this will be the first time since about '06 when DL last had a 738 between here and SLC.

I remember when the 727-200 was coded as 72S...737-200 was 73S...Oh the old days when you could get mainline flights into almost any city. LOL
Yeah it has been awhile since DL scheduled a 738 into OKC. Long over due IMO. Sucks we go down to just one mainline, but at least we aren't losing it all again.

What's wrong with the MD88? I flew on two of 'em this week from OKC-ATL-MLB (where I am now), and will take two more back to OKC Friday night. Give me an MD88 to ANY RJ anytime.

I like the Mad Dogs, Lawn Dart, whatever you want to call them. I would definitely agree they are better than being on an RJ. I just logged a few flights on the ERJs. They aren't horrible, but I would be crying if I didn't have exit row/bulkheads the entire time. I really wish they were used for their original purpose...new regional thin routes. Not medium-long range flights to hubs.

[OUman]

^Yeah I remember the 72S/73S codes, used to appear on old flight trackers all the time. Along with 72Q for the "Quick Change" variant.

I don't have any issues with the RJs (especially after the past March's Q400 rides), but I can see how for people taller than me they would be annoying. On the other hand, mad acceleration anyone?

[damonsmuz]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL60

Anyone know the reason for this heavy in OKC? I thought it may have been weather, but it's the only diversion into OKC and there wasn't much over DFW other than a few showers here and there.

[SkyWestOKC]

Well, moment of truth is tomorrow.

Personally I do not think we will get any flights. Fingers are crossed though.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...11+PRN20111215

[venture]

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL60

Anyone know the reason for this heavy in OKC? I thought it may have been weather, but it's the only diversion into OKC and there wasn't much over DFW other than a few showers here and there.

I wonder what that was flying really slow this afternoon. Figured it was just the AWACS up playing.

[venture]

Well, moment of truth is tomorrow.

Personally I do not think we will get any flights. Fingers are crossed though.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...11+PRN20111215

Yeah probably not. Which sucks because there are many cities that are more than capable of supporting service to New York that just get overlooked for the typical big hubs.

[HOT ROD]

with the Thunder now a top 5 team, maybe DL will give OKC-LGA a chance??