Thought about creation

[feconi]

The universe has always been here, is no longer a feasible alternative -- it contradicts empirical science. For the big bang to work, you have to start with something.

Who's to say that we'll ever know what happened before the Big Bang? We're still trying to understand what happened tiny fractions of a second after the Big Bang. Speculation about what happened before the Big Bang is just that--speculation, not science. Cosmologists admit that there's simply no scientific explanation for the origin of the singularity which birthed our universe.

Science has yet to figure that out and that is why the Big Bang is less and less supported.

Your criticism makes it painfully apparent that you don't know what you're talking about. The Big Bang theory describes, literally, the evolution of matter in the universe--from a proposed singularity of infinite temperature and eventually cooling to the atomic structure of matter that we observe today. It does not attempt to explain the universe's history before this singularity.

Moreover, the fact that we cannot explain prior events (i.e., how all that energy got there in the first place) doesn't undermine the Big Bang theory, because the Big Bang wasn't proposed to explain the origins of the energy which led to the creation of the observable universe. Rather, the scope of the theory is limited to what happened after the Big Bang--to reconcile "empirical science" such as cosmic microwave background radiation, the redshifting of distant galaxies, etc. While there's a possibility for refinements to the theory as technology continues to enhance our ability to observe (e.g., the LHC, WIMP detection), there's currently tremendous evidence for the general Big Bang model. So, is the theory getting "less and less support" these days simply because you disagree with it?

We are here discussing points of view and looking for some truth in it all. While my major's in math and physics have yet to explain how the universe was created, I was hoping to see if someone else had insight..

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If your "major's" truly in physics (as my bachelor's was) and you want to "discuss" points of view then I suggest expanding your resources to include sites like these wherein the level of discussion is more on par with your background.

I have focused less on evolution, I know there are scientist[s]...on creation or intelligent design side as well. I do appreciate the resources.

Indeed, there are scientists on the ID/creation side but there is no science on the ID/creation side.

[gmwise]

You're wondering who we are; why we have done this; how it has come that I stand before you - the image of a being from so long ago. Life evolved on my planet before all others in this part of the galaxy. We left our world, explored the stars and found none like ourselves. Our civilization thrived for ages, but what is the life of one race, compared to the vast stretches of cosmic time?

We knew that one day we would be gone, and nothing of us would survive - so we left you. Our scientists seeded the primordial oceans of many worlds, where life was in its infancy. This body you see before you, which is of course shaped as yours is shaped, for you are the end result. The seed code also contains this message, which was scattered in fragments on many different worlds.

It was our hope that you would have to come together in fellowship and companionship to hear this message, and if you can see and hear me, our hope has been fulfilled. You are a monument, not to our greatness, but to our existence. That was our wish - that you too would know life and would keep alive our memory. There is something of us in each of you, and so, something of you in each other. Remember us."

[DaveSkater]

"Until we assemble it, we will never know its purpose."
"He's right. As far as we know it might just be a recipe for biscuits!"
"If that's what you think, go home. I'll send you my grandmother's recipe!"


- Picard, Gul Ocett, and Nu'Daq

gmwise, you really like that start trek eh?
(lol, me too)

[metro]

Every watch has a watchmaker, every house has a home builder, every creation has a creator?

So if we have an intelligent designer, we were designed for intelligence.

[silvergrove]

Every watch has a watchmaker, every house has a home builder, every creation has a creator?

So if we have an intelligent designer, we were designed for intelligence.

If a creator created the watchmaker and if a creator made a house builder, who made the creator?

[metro]

What if the creator is the source of all knowledge, because knowledge can't be contained....

[Luke]

So, what came before the big bang? Or before the chemical dust floating in space that caused the big bang? What about the vast area of space itself? What about time?

[dismayed]

Since the space-time continuum is limited to our reality, and we are talking about what existed prior to the creation of our reality and its inherent laws of nature, scientifically speaking we will never really know for sure. Guess that's where faith and religion come in.

What is interesting to think about though is what is going on right now. Right now our universe is expanding... but what is it expanding into? If the universe is everything, and yet it is growing, is it expanding into nothing? What exactly is nothingness?

[Luke]

What is interesting to think about though is what is going on right now. Right now our universe is expanding... but what is it expanding into? If the universe is everything, and yet it is growing, is it expanding into nothing? What exactly is nothingness?

Indeed.

And if it's expanding, then rewind a few million years and what was it before? Where did whatever that was come from?

[USG '60]

Well, that is the part God did. He created this thing ...this substance ...this SOMEthing; couldn't think of anything worthwhile about it and just pitched it and walked off. That was beginning of things. I can buy that and it even allows me to tell people that I believe in God and keep a straight face.

[gmwise]

"Until we assemble it, we will never know its purpose."
"He's right. As far as we know it might just be a recipe for biscuits!"
"If that's what you think, go home. I'll send you my grandmother's recipe!"


- Picard, Gul Ocett, and Nu'Daq

gmwise, you really like that start trek eh?
(lol, me too)

Ok 1st off I'm not into the costumes..yet, I think i am past that at 45.
But look at the gadgets and how star trek spurn scientists and innovators.
Damn exciting time to be in, of course being alive should be exciting at any time.
My grandsons or even their grandsons may see a day when man has populated this solar system, and beyond.
And god willing explore in peace and be at peace.
Yea I'm a sentimental old guy,who has seen what wars do.


DAVE, have you ever heard or read a book called the The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps by Marshall T. Savage

[Luke]

Well, that is the part God did. He created this thing ...this substance ...this SOMEthing; couldn't think of anything worthwhile about it and just pitched it and walked off. That was beginning of things. I can buy that and it even allows me to tell people that I believe in God and keep a straight face.

Agreed.

At that point, nonsupernaturalists seemingly have problems sticking to science. At least supernaturalists can say, welp, this is where God makes sense.

[Jesseda]

i think we came about the same way the teenage mutant ninja turtles came about, except ooze in the sewer it came from the sky,some kinda of radio active meteor came to earth and evolved most primates into humans.. Master splinter told me that

[Luke]

i think we came about the same way the teenage mutant ninja turtles came about, except ooze in the sewer it came from the sky,some kinda of radio active meteor came to earth and evolved most primates into humans.. Master splinter told me that

Even that makes more sense than everything just appearing out of nothing.

Nothing comes from nothing.

[Jesus Lied For You]

Nothing comes from nothing.

Therefore Yahweh came into existence from nothing to create the universe?

[Luke]

Therefore Yahweh came into existence from nothing to create the universe?

Did matter come into existence from nothing and create the universe?

[Jesus Lied For You]

Did matter come into existence from nothing and create the universe?

Einstein contended that E=mc2. Does is it not follow that M=e/c2? If energy can be neither created nor destroyed then it is reasonable to conclude that it has always been in existence.

[Luke]

...it is reasonable to conclude that it has always been in existence.

So this energy/matter entity that created the universe is eternal, all powerful and everywhere?

[USG '60]

And you can call it God if you want to.

[Jesseda]

E= MC2 but wait just if now lets say just if E = mc4 - hg to the 2 power and reduce the ions by 6 percent and add a bit of oregano and a hint of thyme hmmm by gosh i think I got it rago spahgetti sauce.

[Luke]

E= MC2 but wait just if now lets say just if E = mc4 - hg to the 2 power and reduce the ions by 6 percent and add a bit of oregano and a hint of thyme hmmm by gosh i think I got it rago spahgetti sauce.

So, instead, this energy/matter entity that created the universe is eternal, all powerful and everywhere?

[Jesus Lied For You]

So this energy/matter entity that created the universe is eternal, all powerful and everywhere?

Explain why omnipotence and omnipresence need to be introduced into the equation as attributes of energy and then we'll have an actual discussion.

To answer your question, no.

[Luke]

Explain why omnipotence and omnipresence need to be introduced into the equation as attributes of energy and then we'll have an actual discussion.

If Matter is all that is, then it must be its own source of eternal self-sustaining and self-perpetuating power eternally backwards and forwards.

If Matter is all that is, then by that definition alone it omnipresent, everywhere at once.

[Jesseda]

man that was deep

[possumfritter]

Since the space-time continuum is limited to our reality, and we are talking about what existed prior to the creation of our reality and its inherent laws of nature, scientifically speaking we will never really know for sure. Guess that's where faith and religion come in.

What is interesting to think about though is what is going on right now. Right now our universe is expanding... but what is it expanding into? If the universe is everything, and yet it is growing, is it expanding into nothing? What exactly is nothingness?

What proof is there that the "universe is expanding?" Our eyes can only see so far, but if we look up into the cloudless sky we never see the end to that which we are looking at...do we? To say our universe is expanding, is that only because of the telescopes and planetary vehicles we have designed and placed in space to look further out into space then what our eyes can actually see on their own? In other words, the machinery is assisting us to bring into better view that which we already see but can't distinguish.

I don't know that our universe is expanding/growing...only our ability, with the assistance of some machinery, to reach further out ito it.

Without a doubt, our "knowledge" of our universe is expanding.