Wheeler District

[andrew]

Bad siteplan they should’ve fully connected further south.

Considering there is an active railroad track and a drainage creek and an existing large debris breakdown company that forms the entirety of the southern border of the current developing Wheeler District site plan, I’m curious how one would fully connect further south?

[andrew]

The old hangar is coming down.

[HFAA Alum]

Bad siteplan they should’ve fully connected further south.

I think they stopped going south with the plan due to there being two factors serving as a border. You have the stream stemming from the river, and then you have the railroad. If anything, I would like to see them expand westward towards the pedestrian bridge. But that's way beyond the scope of necessary.

[Mississippi Blues]

North of 25th to the railroad tracks becomes a mixture of industrial and empty pretty quickly along Western. I might be more conflicted about it if the area immediately across the creek and track was even just a regular neighborhood, but calling it a bad site plan for not connecting it to “Vets Septic Service” or “Dirt Cheap Cars & Trucks” is a bit dramatic.

[CCOKC]

Last week geothermals went in for some of the cottages on the south end just to the west of the old Hangar. That usually means that we should see foundations in the next few weeks. I am looking forward to seeing how the most southern of these cottages interact with the river. As others have mentioned, the view is not great right now but there is potential. There will be a lot of activity focused on this end of Wheeler for the next few years with the apartments and these cottages being built at the same time.

[Pete]

I wonder about the pool.

I don't see a second one on the master plan and there will be tons more homes and apartments.

[Teo9969]

Last week geothermals went in for some of the cottages on the south end just to the west of the old Hangar. That usually means that we should see foundations in the next few weeks. I am looking forward to seeing how the most southern of these cottages interact with the river. As others have mentioned, the view is not great right now but there is potential. There will be a lot of activity focused on this end of Wheeler for the next few years with the apartments and these cottages being built at the same time.

Are they putting geothermal under the homes?

[CCOKC]

All of the homes have geothermal. It's the first physical sign that a home is starting. Sorry I failed to mention that.

[Teo9969]

All of the homes have geothermal. It's the first physical sign that a home is starting. Sorry I failed to mention that.

Right, I know they are using Geothermal, but where are they putting the ground loops? Given the density I would think it would require at least some of the looping to be under the homes, which makes me wonder what the plan is in the long run for maintenance.

[Rover]

Right, I know they are using Geothermal, but where are they putting the ground loops? Given the density I would think it would require at least some of the looping to be under the homes, which makes me wonder what the plan is in the long run for maintenance.

There’s nothing to really maintain in the loop itself. The loop piping connections are fused and should be thoroughly tested for integrity. Pumps are usually very accessible. Vertical loops can go under structures.

[Teo9969]

There’s nothing to really maintain in the loop itself. The loop piping connections are fused and should be thoroughly tested for integrity. Pumps are usually very accessible. Vertical loops can go under structures.

Eventually they will need to be repaired/replaced, be that 50 or 100+ years from now. Just interested to know if that's going to involve foundations getting torn up or public space. I assume they are doing vertical loops so it's not like it would be a HUGE undertaking.

Also, does Wheeler own the loops or the actual homeowners?

[UrbanistPoke]

Eventually they will need to be repaired/replaced, be that 50 or 100+ years from now. Just interested to know if that's going to involve foundations getting torn up or public space. I assume they are doing vertical loops so it's not like it would be a HUGE undertaking.

Also, does Wheeler own the loops or the actual homeowners?

Interesting question - I've never really looked into how the geothermal systems are set up for homes - I'd assume they would be not directly under the house and wouldn't be any different than having to dig up a water or sewer line and replace it like many owners have to do at some point. If the entire system is directly under the house foundation then it would likely never be feasible to repair the system if something happens to it - hopefully there's an easy way to repair leaks or piping. If the pumps are placed in accessible areas like Rover mentioned those are probably the things most likely to break, need repairs, or to be replaced. Seems like most piping underground can last 100 years or more if welded correctly, etc. So the system probably lasts longer than the useful life of any improvements.

[HOT ROD]

I really hate that the hanger has to come down. I was hoping there'd be some sort of use for it, even as a large event centre or dance club (haha).

Now, pretty much everthing identifying the original airport is gone.

[Rover]

Eventually they will need to be repaired/replaced, be that 50 or 100+ years from now. Just interested to know if that's going to involve foundations getting torn up or public space. I assume they are doing vertical loops so it's not like it would be a HUGE undertaking.

Also, does Wheeler own the loops or the actual homeowners?

The pipes could theoretically last up to 200 years or more. But even assuming 50, the other equipment like the heat pumps themselve will have been replaced multiple times. By then they likely will be substantially more efficient and theoretically you wouldn’t need all the original loops the handle the heat rejection/absorption. At his point it is not worth worrying about. There are multiple types of equipment that could easily be used to replace it now. It’s not exactly like this is causing any future problems for the homeowners.

It appears the houses and the sites they are on are owned by the owner. If it were land leases then the loops would probably revert to the land owner at the end of the lease. But it’s a moot point.

[Soonerinfiniti]

Cottages announced for construction. 14 with a middle courtyard. $300,000 range. Around 900 SF.

[Plutonic Panda]

Any renderings?

[Bowser214]

They’ve posted some on Instagram.

[I235+I44]

https://www.wheelerdistrict.com/available-homes/

[Urbanized]

^^^^^^^
I've said it before in this very thread, but future phases have always been intended to have more affordable housing sizes, types and options. This development is playing the long game. Pricier stuff simply HAD to be at the front end.

[Richard at Remax]

If you push affordable to the back end then it will probably be unaffordable by the time they get built.

[UrbanistPoke]

^^^^^^^
I've said it before in this very thread, but future phases have always been intended to have more affordable housing sizes, types and options. This development is playing the long game. Pricier stuff simply HAD to be at the front end.

Affordable means different things to different people. Even the smallest units they are showing available now, if they cheapened up finishes, etc. you still can't build something like those for under $200/sq ft anymore given material costs, etc. So you're talking long-term maybe you might see small houses around $200,000 to $250,000. Profit margins are super thin for that type of build too - I doubt they do that to much scale when you can make twice the profit on a $300k-400k buildout that they are doing now. I wouldn't be surprised if no real "affordable" housing is built. If you think affordable in the sense of income restricted - then the only way to justify that is to do apartments and size in excess of 100 units to make the syndication costs feasible. That's the down side to affordable programs federally, it makes it impossible to do small scale truly affordable/income restricted projects.

[BoulderSooner]

. So you're talking long-term maybe you might see small houses around $200,000 to $250,000. .

i doubt you ever see any houses at wheeler under 300k

[andrew]

https://www.wheelerdistrict.com/home/982-hangar-dr/

It’s small but it is under $300k. Sometimes I wonder if people do even a modicum of research on these threads lol.

[chssooner]

Seems pretty clear cut? Previous poster said they doubt we ever see a house in wheeler for under 300k. I presented evidence of a house in wheeler for sale for under 300k. Am I missing something here…?

I mean, yes you did. But 1 house out of like, 600, does not a rule make. You found the 1 exception. But I am glad you spent that time looking to prove him wrong.

[andrew]

I mean, yes you did. But 1 house out of like, 600, does not a rule make. You found the 1 exception. But I am glad you spent that time looking to prove him wrong.

Seems like there are many, many emotionally charged assumptions being made over my posting a wheeler house for sale under 300k. So I will step away.