Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Canoe]

Then enlighten me. What are the positive, rational reasons why folks arenÂ’t wearing masks?

What you don't get is that people have different personality traits, in some ways we are born with these traits and in some ways society influences these traits, but at this moment in time you can not change how a person is/acts without force.

Watch the video to get a better understanding of the 'agreeable' personality trait.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreeableness

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1590505745823

[PoliSciGuy]

What you don't get is that people have different personality traits, in some ways we are born with these traits and in some ways society influences these traits, but at this moment in time you can not change how a person is/acts without force.

Watch the video to get a better understanding of the 'agreeable' personality trait.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreeableness

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1590505745823

Ok, so folks lacking this trait are acting dumb and selfish, got it. That wikipedia article summed up non-maskers well:

Those who score very low on agreeableness show signs of dark triad behavior such as manipulation and competing with others rather than cooperating

[kukblue1]

I'm all for wearing mask but on that note have you changed anything in your life to boost your immune system? Sure wearing a mask helps but if your still eating unhealthy or smoking or doing the things your shouldn't be doing then don't bitch if someone is or isn't wearing a mask. You can really only control what goes on in your life. I hope that came out right.

Me personally I'm overweight and pre diabetic with low Vitamin D levels. Around April I started walking and taking my Vitamin D pills like the doctor told me to for over a year and I never really did. I even brought a fitness tracker with heart rate and oxygen levels. Don't get me wrong i'm not out there killing it and really haven't lost much weight but i'm up to 2 1/2 miles a day walking and I check my oxygen levels a few times a day and temperate also. I'm not eating fast food everyday like in the past. I have been trying to get better foods into my system. My hope is to boost my general overall health just in case I do catch Covid my body will be in better shape to fight it off.

[Canoe]

Ok, so folks lacking this trait are acting dumb and selfish, got it. That wikipedia article summed up non-maskers well:

Correct, that is true in the extreme case, please watch the video as well to see what some of the advantages are and why society tends to select people low in agreeableness for certain roles.

Again my accusation against you is that you are unable to understand complex thoughts and ideas because you filter them through your idealogly. An idealogly is a very low resolution picture of the world and they are useful when a person lacks the mental capacity or time to understand the nuiances of a complex idea. People blindly following thier idealogly of choice is bad for the Republic.

You have exhibited this tendency by picking up on the first thing that agrees with you preconceived notion and hastily replying. I am convinced that you are unable to see the complexity in this topic and that is fine, I hope that someday you can do better.

[jerrywall]

I'm all for wearing mask but on that note have you changed anything in your life to boost your immune system? Sure wearing a mask helps but if your still eating unhealthy or smoking or doing the things your shouldn't be doing then don't bitch if someone is or isn't wearing a mask. You can really only control what goes on in your life. I hope that came out right.

Me personally I'm overweight and pre diabetic with low Vitamin D levels. Around April I started walking and taking my Vitamin D pills like the doctor told me to for over a year and I never really did. I even brought a fitness tracker with heart rate and oxygen levels. Don't get me wrong i'm not out there killing it and really haven't lost much weight but i'm up to 2 1/2 miles a day walking and I check my oxygen levels a few times a day and temperate also. I'm not eating fast food everyday like in the past. I have been trying to get better foods into my system. My hope is to boost my general overall health just in case I do catch Covid my body will be in better shape to fight it off.

This is all good, but in the case of personal health and fitness, you doing that doesn't effect my health, or the health of others in the community. Its great to do, but it's very different than an action that is primarily about protecting others like wearing a mask is.

But yeah, my wife and I have taken the opportunity during this outbreak to work on our running and health as well. The wife is blowing me out of the water. She did a 5 mile run at 5am on Saturday. I think she's nuts personally and slept until 9.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

I'm all for wearing mask but on that note have you changed anything in your life to boost your immune system? Sure wearing a mask helps but if your still eating unhealthy or smoking or doing the things your shouldn't be doing then don't bitch if someone is or isn't wearing a mask. You can really only control what goes on in your life. I hope that came out right.

Me personally I'm overweight and pre diabetic with low Vitamin D levels. Around April I started walking and taking my Vitamin D pills like the doctor told me to for over a year and I never really did. I even brought a fitness tracker with heart rate and oxygen levels. Don't get me wrong i'm not out there killing it and really haven't lost much weight but i'm up to 2 1/2 miles a day walking and I check my oxygen levels a few times a day and temperate also. I'm not eating fast food everyday like in the past. I have been trying to get better foods into my system. My hope is to boost my general overall health just in case I do catch Covid my body will be in better shape to fight it off.

This is wonderful. I hope you are getting positive feedback from your doctor on these lifestyle changes. Walking, and just moving our bodies in space, is one of the best things we can do for our physical and mental well-being.
Congrats!

[mkjeeves]

I'm all for wearing mask but on that note have you changed anything in your life to boost your immune system? Sure wearing a mask helps but if your still eating unhealthy or smoking or doing the things your shouldn't be doing then don't bitch if someone is or isn't wearing a mask. You can really only control what goes on in your life. I hope that came out right.

Me personally I'm overweight and pre diabetic with low Vitamin D levels. Around April I started walking and taking my Vitamin D pills like the doctor told me to for over a year and I never really did. I even brought a fitness tracker with heart rate and oxygen levels. Don't get me wrong i'm not out there killing it and really haven't lost much weight but i'm up to 2 1/2 miles a day walking and I check my oxygen levels a few times a day and temperate also. I'm not eating fast food everyday like in the past. I have been trying to get better foods into my system. My hope is to boost my general overall health just in case I do catch Covid my body will be in better shape to fight it off.

Yes. Working on all the above to improve my general health and immunity, diet changes, weight loss, exercise, vitamins, sleep, avoiding stress, sunlight. (Plus avoiding people, especially those who don’t respect others by distancing and mask wearing.)

A decent article I read awhile ago. https://www.aarp.org/health/conditio...-age-risk.html

[Pete]

[Pete]

The U.S. just passed 100,000 in Covid-19 deaths.

[Canoe]

The U.S. just passed 100,000 in Covid-19 deaths.

What a tragic loss of life.

[soonerguru]

This is the problem with the nation
The inability to see or reason through an opposing opinion. I do not think you are stupid or lazy, so your inability to understand his mentality must stem from you ideological. I encourage you to look past your belief system to try and understand the other side. You do not need to agree but for the health of the nation you need to try to understand where they are coming from and why.

I have no problem with people who hold different opinions. Hell, some of my best friends and family disagree on many matters. I have a problem with people who literally ignore direct, unequivocal advice with no political or ideological bent to it at all. Wearing masks in public spaces is not a political issue. It is a public safety matter. Some politicians have tried to make it political, including the president, but it is a direct request from public health officials to stem the tide of a deadly pandemic disease.

The "I don't understand this mentality" is me asking: 'Why would you directly jeopardize the health and safety of others by ignoring medical officials?'

Do we need a law to enforce it? Perhaps, as Pete indicated. Some people still get upset that they cannot utter the n-word and keep their jobs. "Freedom of Speech, baby!"

I have tried to understand this point of view. What I think it is, and correct me if I'm wrong, is: "This virus is all overblown hype. I'm not going to buy into it by wearing a mask. I'm going to show my solidarity with people who think this is a hoax by not wearing a mask." If that's it, I call BS.

Or people may believe: "This is not a big deal. Most people don't get sick from this. I'm OK. I'm not scared like those mask people." To that I also say, BS.

Perhaps it's: "People wearing masks hate Trump. So I'm going to wear one because I like Trump. MAGA!" To that, I declare, "BS, this has nothing to do with Trump."

Or the old chestnut: "The Surgeon General said in March that masks will not help me so I'm not going to wear one (even though the CDC is now directly saying people should wear a mask)."

When I say, "I don't understand the mentality," it's not because I haven't thought about it. I've thought about it a great deal. And what I do not understand is when people have it methodically and repeatedly explained to them that wearing masks protects other people as it does themselves, they still argue about it. Why? Do these people really want their friends and neighbors to become ill because they cannot be bothered to put a face cloth on for a twenty-minute trip to Homeland?

[kukblue1]

Inside Edition just did a story on face shields and they are just as effective. Well it's divided like the mask but I think a face shield would be easier to wear.

[soonerguru]

Lincoln Riley agrees about the importance of wearing facemasks.

[dankrutka]

I'm all for wearing mask but on that note have you changed anything in your life to boost your immune system? Sure wearing a mask helps but if your still eating unhealthy or smoking or doing the things your shouldn't be doing then don't bitch if someone is or isn't wearing a mask. You can really only control what goes on in your life. I hope that came out right.

Me personally I'm overweight and pre diabetic with low Vitamin D levels. Around April I started walking and taking my Vitamin D pills like the doctor told me to for over a year and I never really did. I even brought a fitness tracker with heart rate and oxygen levels. Don't get me wrong i'm not out there killing it and really haven't lost much weight but i'm up to 2 1/2 miles a day walking and I check my oxygen levels a few times a day and temperate also. I'm not eating fast food everyday like in the past. I have been trying to get better foods into my system. My hope is to boost my general overall health just in case I do catch Covid my body will be in better shape to fight it off.

Improving your health is one of the safest things you can do to fight COVID-19 or even after this is over. And you can usually do it with physical distance so no mask is needed!

[kukblue1]

Improving your health is one of the safest things you can do to fight COVID-19 or even after this is over. And you can usually do it with physical distance so no mask is needed!

I think that point isn't being stressed enough by the media. How often do you hear stories about things you can be doing to improve your health to fight Covid -19. NON. The first thing on the news is about all these parties and showing people outside. The sun kills the virus in almost no time. Yet they want to keep showing people outside without mask on. You have a very low risk catching it outdoors yet if you watch the media that's not the case. SMH

[Jersey Boss]

Lincoln Riley agrees about the importance of wearing facemasks.

Exactly. Riley has been out in front on the safety of individuals. Unlike that fellow up the interstate who declared on his own that his players were coming back on June 1 and was then put in his place by the conference.

[AP]

^Really surprised it took this long to become an OSU v OU thing.

[PhiAlpha]

^Really surprised it took this long to become an OSU v OU thing.

Ahhhhh! A sign that things are returning to normal

[Midtowner]

I represented a client recently at an FED (eviction) hearing in Oklahoma County. What a complete **** show it was. We had 150-200 people in the hallway, lined up for check in at one courtroom. They had one set of hearings at 10 and another at 2.

The folks who did wear masks mostly wore them incorrectly, but many people and attorneys didn't even bother. I'm up there with my client because this is my workplace. A lot of folks were allowed to disrespect my safety in my own workplace. I know exactly how those Costco employees must feel, but at least Costco has their backs. If it's an access to the courts issue, we require people to wear shoes, pants and a shirt to court. That doesn't violate their rights. One more article of clothing which could save their lives or someone else's isn't much of a reach.

My heart really goes out to the Deputy Court Clerk who managed all of the people in the hallways and had direct contact with every single person in that hallway, masked or not.

Not requiring masks of everyone in public places is much like having a free pissing policy in the public pool. Except the piss is a virus which can kill you, allow you to spread it to others and kill them, or in a moderate case, force you to stay home from work for weeks on end. Not even in the wildest dreams of Ayn Rand would this be acceptable. We keep expecting these doctors and nurses to show up for work every day and treat these asshats who disregard their own health an the health of others. If everyone would just be decent human beings and try to stay six feet apart, wear masks, wash and sanitize frequently, lives would be saved.

But I guess this world is all about some folks' convenience or their wish to exude machismo. Just put a set of testes on your trailer hitch, maybe add a Calvin pissing on something sticker, and wear a mask.

[jn1780]

I think that point isn't being stressed enough by the media. How often do you hear stories about things you can be doing to improve your health to fight Covid -19. NON. The first thing on the news is about all these parties and showing people outside. The sun kills the virus in almost no time. Yet they want to keep showing people outside without mask on. You have a very low risk catching it outdoors yet if you watch the media that's not the case. SMH

Yeah, and the people you see less than 6 feet from each other outside are family or close acquaintances.

Based on what I actually see out there with over half the people not wearing masks at stores and other places, I'm starting to wonder just how infections asymptotic carriers are. You would think there would have been a huge surge in cases. It just hasn't materialized. A week from now will be very telling after Memorial day will be very telling. Maybe some piece of the puzzle that were missing(cross immunity, higher temps making it difficult to spread, testing,etc?)

[chuck5815]

Yeah, and the people you see less than 6 feet from each other outside are family or close acquaintances.

Based on what I actually see out there with over half the people not wearing masks at stores and other places, I'm starting to wonder just how infections asymptotic carriers are. You would think there would have been a huge surge in cases. It just hasn't materialized. A week from now will be very telling after Memorial day will be very telling. Maybe some piece of the puzzle that were missing(cross immunity, higher temps making it difficult to spread, testing,etc?)

It's a combination of temps, and the R value trading below 1.00 on a sustained basis. This virus is just not delivering the big R values it needs to infect large numbers of people -- whether those people are wearing masks or not.

Brazil is seeing a huge spike in cases right now. It had hardly any cases a few months ago, but it is effectively winter there right now. This is definitely a seasonal bug even though the media would never admit that. It wouldn't be good for business.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Inside Edition just did a story on face shields and they are just as effective. Well it's divided like the mask but I think a face shield would be easier to wear.

Inside Edition? With Deborah Norville?
I would have sworn that was in reruns...

[mkjeeves]

I read a NY Times article about face shields this morning. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/24/h...e-shields.html

[mkjeeves]

I represented a client recently at an FED (eviction) hearing in Oklahoma County. What a complete **** show it was. We had 150-200 people in the hallway, lined up for check in at one courtroom. They had one set of hearings at 10 and another at 2.

The folks who did wear masks mostly wore them incorrectly, but many people and attorneys didn't even bother. I'm up there with my client because this is my workplace. A lot of folks were allowed to disrespect my safety in my own workplace. I know exactly how those Costco employees must feel, but at least Costco has their backs. If it's an access to the courts issue, we require people to wear shoes, pants and a shirt to court. That doesn't violate their rights. One more article of clothing which could save their lives or someone else's isn't much of a reach.

My heart really goes out to the Deputy Court Clerk who managed all of the people in the hallways and had direct contact with every single person in that hallway, masked or not.

Not requiring masks of everyone in public places is much like having a free pissing policy in the public pool. Except the piss is a virus which can kill you, allow you to spread it to others and kill them, or in a moderate case, force you to stay home from work for weeks on end. Not even in the wildest dreams of Ayn Rand would this be acceptable. We keep expecting these doctors and nurses to show up for work every day and treat these asshats who disregard their own health an the health of others. If everyone would just be decent human beings and try to stay six feet apart, wear masks, wash and sanitize frequently, lives would be saved.

But I guess this world is all about some folks' convenience or their wish to exude machismo. Just put a set of testes on your trailer hitch, maybe add a Calvin pissing on something sticker, and wear a mask.

I've been wondering what kind of **** show jury duty might be. It was a cattle call, shoulder to shoulder, for days in the waiting room the only time I've been. Not sure if my doctor could get me off due to being in high risk categories (plural) if I got called but I would definitely be trying that if I got a letter now. Then I think I would just refuse and take my licks if they didn't involve jail time.

[Midtowner]

I've been wondering what kind of **** show jury duty might be. It was a cattle call, shoulder to shoulder, for days in the waiting room the only time I've been. Not sure if my doctor could get me off due to being in high risk categories (plural) if I got called but I would definitely be trying that if I got a letter now. Then I think I would just refuse and take my licks if they didn't involve jail time.

Jury trials are suspended, I think, until August, and only then are they going to be for in custody cases. We're protecting jurors.