Big 12 Conference

[BG918]

I hope OSU can land in either in the B1G or PAC 12. That would be wild to have Saturday home games in Stillwater vs UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, etc

[mugofbeer]

I would have to think OSU would generate far more sports revenue than U of Colorado.

[Zuplar]

I'm with you all. I was feeling bad about OSU over the weekend, but the response from this new president is pathetic. I really had hoped that OSU would land in another P5(4) conference, but now, good luck in the Mountain West for all I care.

The thing is OSU should be proud of where they are. IMO they are the 3rd best program easily, and should start acting like it. I think there is a good chance they are on more conference radar's than they believe and need to start acting like the commodity they are. They are much better prepared for this than they would have been 15 years ago, and that's a good thing.

[Pete]

Lots of chatter that OU & Texas may submit their letter of withdrawal to the Big 12 today.

The SEC presidents are meeting on Thursday and it's expected they will vote to approve both schools, with the only negative vote coming from A&M.

[PoliSciGuy]

OU just sent out notice of a board of regents meeting on July 30 to discuss conference membership

https://twitter.com/nuriamkeel/statu...189854724?s=21

[Pete]

OU just sent out notice of a board of regents meeting on July 30 to discuss conference membership

https://twitter.com/nuriamkeel/statu...189854724?s=21

That would fit with the timing:

Letter to Big 12 notifying the intent to withdraw, possibly today
SEC presidents vote to approve admission on Thursday
OU Board of Regents accept on Friday

[BoulderSooner]

That would fit with the timing:

Letter to Big 12 notifying the intent to withdraw, possibly today
SEC presidents vote to approve admission on Thursday
OU Board of Regents accept on Friday

intent to withdraw was yesterday .. (not continuing the media deal with the conf past the expiration)

reportedly OU and UT will apply for SEC membership today ..

Thursday the SEC accepts OU and Texas

Friday BOR's approve ..

[kzizok]

Just food for thought, as to when OU and Texas may play in the SEC, remember both Missouri and Texas A&M both announced in 2011 that they were leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. They both played in the SEC in 2012.

There are still a lot of variables, but it is possible that OU and Texas could be playing in the SEC in 2022

[Pete]

^

It seems the new arrangement starting in the fall of 2022 is the most likely outcome.


I'm still having a hard time getting my mind around all this. It's absolutely the right move for OU but everything is going to change very quickly.

[Pete]

This is a great analysis of TV viewership and revenue in the Big 12:

https://archive.ph/sx2ZY

The crux:

Games with OU averaged 3.76 million viewers
Games with Texas averaged 3.2 million viewers
The rest of the Big 12 games averaged .87 million viewers

[PoliSciGuy]

Looks like 2025 is the target date

https://twitter.com/sec/status/1420030640368627712?s=21

[sooner88]

Looks like 2025 is the target date

https://twitter.com/sec/status/1420030640368627712?s=21

That's if they wait for the TV contracts to expire. Highly likely that they will be playing in 2022.

[BoulderSooner]

Looks like 2025 is the target date

https://twitter.com/sec/status/1420030640368627712?s=21

only because of contracts they can't say any date before that ..


after the sec accepts on thursday and the BOR approves on friday the Lawyers will start with the negotiations and it is widely expected that OU and UT will be playing in the SEC no later than 2023 and quite possibly next season(2022) ..

[Pete]

Looks like 2025 is the target date

https://twitter.com/sec/status/1420030640368627712?s=21

They are saying 2025 because that is when the current contracts with the Big 12 expire. But there are buyouts OU & Texas can exercise and they likely will because they can more than offset with the increased revenues the SEC will bring.

Missouri and A&M both moved to the SEC a year after notifying.

[catcherinthewry]

They are saying 2025 because that is when the current contracts with the Big 12 expire. But there are buyouts OU & Texas can exercise and they likely will because they can more than offset with the increased revenues the SEC will bring.

Missouri and A&M both moved to the SEC a year after notifying.

I doubt there will be any buyouts because the other 8 schools will be scrambling to get into a Power 4 conference and the Big 12 will disband.

[Martin]

the thing i'm curious about, is what happens to these buyout clauses if the big xii folds? i'm wondering if ou and ut are aiming to be free from paying the penalty because there won't be a big xii entity left to make the payment to.

[Pete]

the thing i'm curious about, is what happens to these buyout clauses if the big xii folds? i'm wondering if ou and ut are aiming to be free from paying the penalty because there won't be a big xii entity left to make the payment to.

That is one scenario.

Regardless, OU & Texas can easily buy their way out with the new SEC money, and that pot is only going to grow -- maybe substantially -- with this move.

[jedicurt]

the thing i'm curious about, is what happens to these buyout clauses if the big xii folds? i'm wondering if ou and ut are aiming to be free from paying the penalty because there won't be a big xii entity left to make the payment to.

the two scenarios i am hearing, this as potential option 1... and that ESPN wants to get OU and Texas in the SEC and on ESPN exclusively. so no matter the buyout for both schools, expect a generous donation by the mouse, to get it done if it's needed.

[Laramie]

the thing i'm curious about, is what happens to these buyout clauses if the big xii folds? i'm wondering if ou and ut are aiming to be free from paying the penalty because there won't be a big xii entity left to make the payment to.

Good observation, Martin. This was one of the questions I wanted to ask.

[Pete]

^

ESPN is desperate to get out of the Longhorn Network which has been a huge bust, and that network is suddenly hurting.

Like everything else surrounding this, things are going to move quickly.

[C_M_25]

The big10 came out yesterday and said that they are content with their current teams. Everyone here assumes that these conferences will want to expand to 16 teams, but that may not be necessarily true anymore. Tramel had some interesting points on the radio yesterday. Basically said that conferences wanted to get to 16 teams during a time when we were trying to get a 4 team playoff going, i.e. different times different measures. The general thought is that conferences will not expand if it hurts revenue. The remaining big 12 teams, save Kansas, are going to dilute whatever major conferences the go to. When you take that in context with the big 10’s statement yesterday, the remaining big 12 teams are likely in for a world of hurt.

There’s a solid chance that the PAC end the big10 won’t expand. If that happens, the remaining teams may be best served holding the big 12 together and trying to poach some of the bigger teams from the AAC or other similar conferences. Things are going to get really interesting soon.

[OKCretro]

The big10 came out yesterday and said that they are content with their current teams. Everyone here assumes that these conferences will want to expand to 16 teams, but that may not be necessarily true anymore. Tramel had some interesting points on the radio yesterday. Basically said that conferences wanted to get to 16 teams during a time when we were trying to get a 4 team playoff going, i.e. different times different measures. The general thought is that conferences will not expand if it hurts revenue. The remaining big 12 teams, save Kansas, are going to dilute whatever major conferences the go to. When you take that in context with the big 10’s statement yesterday, the remaining big 12 teams are likely in for a world of hurt.

There’s a solid chance that the PAC end the big10 won’t expand. If that happens, the remaining teams may be best served holding the big 12 together and trying to poach some of the bigger teams from the AAC or other similar conferences. Things are going to get really interesting soon.

The only added value i could see is from the Pac 12 being able to add an 11am game every saturday for football for the PAC channel. I believe CU has played a couple of home games at 10am to get into that first window. Maybe if OSU agrees to play every home game at 11am then the PAC might take them.

[PhiAlpha]

The big10 came out yesterday and said that they are content with their current teams. Everyone here assumes that these conferences will want to expand to 16 teams, but that may not be necessarily true anymore. Tramel had some interesting points on the radio yesterday. Basically said that conferences wanted to get to 16 teams during a time when we were trying to get a 4 team playoff going, i.e. different times different measures. The general thought is that conferences will not expand if it hurts revenue. The remaining big 12 teams, save Kansas, are going to dilute whatever major conferences the go to. When you take that in context with the big 10’s statement yesterday, the remaining big 12 teams are likely in for a world of hurt.

There’s a solid chance that the PAC end the big10 won’t expand. If that happens, the remaining teams may be best served holding the big 12 together and trying to poach some of the bigger teams from the AAC or other similar conferences. Things are going to get really interesting soon.

Do some of you all really still not understand the game after the last decade of this and other major sports moves? No one has changed conferences yet, nothing has been made official and just as the SEC has shown, conferences can’t appear to be publicly pursuing teams from other conferences due to legal ramifications. Of course that’s what the B1G is going to say RIGHT NOW. There has also been speculation that several B1G teams have been in contact with the SEC and Pac 12 teams have been in contact with the B1G. I would highly recommend taking any public statements made by the conferences with a grain of salt until everything is finalized.

[BoulderSooner]

Do some of you all really still not understand the game after the last decade of this and other major sports moves? No one has changed conferences yet, nothing has been made official and just as the SEC has shown, conferences can’t appear to be publicly pursuing teams from other conferences due to legal ramifications. Of course that’s what the B1G is going to say RIGHT NOW. There has also been speculation that several B1G teams have been in contact with the SEC and Pac 12 teams have been in contact with the B1G. I would highly recommend taking any public statements made by the conferences with a grain of salt until everything is finalized.

unless teams can add actual monetary value .. and be a cultural and academic fit the PAC BIG and ACC are not going to expand

[PhiAlpha]

unless teams can add actual monetary value .. and be a cultural and academic fit the PAC BIG and ACC are not going to expand

I just disagree. I think the product on the field/court and access to other recruiting/tv markets is going to drive this as well. It will eventually improve the watchability/marketability of conference games which will also increase revenue long term. That’s the only option they will have to grow aside from mergers or the other high revenue/blue blood type programs combine to form another super conference. The other groups aren’t going to sit still, especially based on academics, after the SEC does this. I just don’t think they can do so and remain competitive. You can guarantee that if everyone stays put and the other conferences don’t do something, the SEC will come for their good teams, offer way more revenue, and take them eventually.