Population Growth for OKC

[BG918]

Does anyone think the Kickapoo Turnpike will spur a new wave of housing development in Jones and Choctaw? Especially once the southern extension is under construction to Norman/Noble/I-35.

[Pete]

Does anyone think the Kickapoo Turnpike will spur a new wave of housing development in Jones and Choctaw? Especially once the southern extension is under construction to Norman/Noble/I-35.

That eastern section of Oklahoma County is the prettiest in all of OKC.

And with the independent school districts, we are going to see tons more homes out that way, ala Mustang/Yukon.

[Plutonic Panda]

They need to build a new freeway going to east connecting the South I-44/I-35 junction to the Kickapoo. Ideally they’d build it to be expanded to 10-14 lanes if/when the time comes. For the time being a 4 lane freeway would be awesome

[soonerguru]

They need to build a new freeway going to east connecting the South I-44/I-35 junction to the Kickapoo. Ideally they’d build it to be expanded to 10-14 lanes if/when the time comes. For the time being a 4 lane freeway would be awesome

Is this self parody?

[BG918]

They need to build a new freeway going to east connecting the South I-44/I-35 junction to the Kickapoo. Ideally they’d build it to be expanded to 10-14 lanes if/when the time comes. For the time being a 4 lane freeway would be awesome

Not quite but close. Watch areas in north Norman/south Moore continue to fill in with new neighborhoods along the turnpike. Same for areas in east Norman though the Lake Thunderbird watershed limits how much development can go east

[soonergolfer]

I'd bet on the most growth for OKC will be from Eastern Canadian County. There is a solid 6 to 7 miles of housing development under construction from East of Yukon down to Mustang. Also from Surrey Hills East to County Line Rd.

Hope you’re right. I’ve got a bunch of land in that area that is for sale. I think the turnpike development and time frame will kind of decide which part of the city that will develop the soonest.

[Plutonic Panda]

Is this self parody?

It’s completely logical and much needed if the soon to be growth coming to that area doesn’t want to travel through endless traffic lights on surface roads. There’s a pretty big gap of no freeways between I-35, I-40, I-44, and the Kickapoo.

[Plutonic Panda]

Not quite but close. Watch areas in north Norman/south Moore continue to fill in with new neighborhoods along the turnpike. Same for areas in east Norman though the Lake Thunderbird watershed limits how much development can go east

Yep. I’m beyond excited for these new freeways. I’ve heard some exciting things might come to the future interchange at I-35 and the east to west connector.

[Laramie]

Oklahoma Turnpike Authority (OTA) 'willfully' violated open meetings law:

District Judge Timothy Olsen declared the open meetings act violation was "willful."

“The agendas for the meetings in question clearly do not comply with the (Open Meeting Act),” Olsen said. “The OTA knew the general routes of the turnpike plan for ACCESS Oklahoma before the February 22, 2022, meeting. The agenda items were void of any description of the routes for which the business being transacted were necessary.”

Stan Ward, attorney for the opposition group PIKE OFF, said the ruling will force the turnpike authority to start the process from scratch and that all decisions since February 22, including the engineering contracts, are invalid.

[David]

Oklahoma Turnpike Authority (OTA) 'willfully' violated open meetings law:

District Judge Timothy Olsen declared the open meetings act violation was "willful."

“The agendas for the meetings in question clearly do not comply with the (Open Meeting Act),” Olsen said. “The OTA knew the general routes of the turnpike plan for ACCESS Oklahoma before the February 22, 2022, meeting. The agenda items were void of any description of the routes for which the business being transacted were necessary.”

Stan Ward, attorney for the opposition group PIKE OFF, said the ruling will force the turnpike authority to start the process from scratch and that all decisions since February 22, including the engineering contracts, are invalid.

I continue to not believe this unless the ruling from the judge actually directly says it. So far all I have seen is the plaintiffs claiming it with no proof provided.

[Laramie]

10 Largest Cities in Oklahoma

Oklahoma City (701,266) 20,212 (1.46%)
Tulsa (417,298) 4,232 (0.51%)
Norman (131,446) 3,440 (1.32%)
Broken Arrow (116,478) 2,938 (1.28%)
Edmond (97,032) 2,604 (1.36%)
Lawton (89,083) -998 -0.72%
Moore (64,335) 1,342 (1.21%)
Midwest City (59,217) 808 (0.69%)
Enid (51,694) 386 (0.38%)
Stillwater (48,936) 542 (0.56%)

Cities in Oklahoma by Population (2022) https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...ities/oklahoma

[soonerguru]

I continue to not believe this unless the ruling from the judge actually directly says it. So far all I have seen is the plaintiffs claiming it with no proof provided.

I read the ruling. The judge said it. He openly scolded the OTA.

[David]

I read the ruling. The judge said it. He openly scolded the OTA.

Did he specifically say that the engineering contracts are invalidated? That's primarily the part I don't believe.

[Laramie]

Judge: Oklahoma Turnpike Authority violated Open Meeting Act, ACCESS project contracts rendered invalid . . .

https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma...dered-invalid/

[BoulderSooner]

Did he specifically say that the engineering contracts are invalidated? That's primarily the part I don't believe.

only the ones from the Feb 22 meetinjg which were 2 mgmt contracts .. totaling 4 mil .. for right of way and utility mgmt ..

this is a big nothing burger doesn't slow down work and will just be reauthorized

[Jersey Boss]

Hey Pete/Martin. Could these turnpike posts be shifted to the OTA thread?

[Jersey Boss]

only the ones from the Feb 22 meetinjg which were 2 mgmt contracts .. totaling 4 mil .. for right of way and utility mgmt ..

this is a big nothing burger doesn't slow down work and will just be reauthorized

69 M, not 4M per the article in State Impact.

[BoulderSooner]

69 M, not 4M per the article in State Impact.

4 mil is related to the ACCESS projects the rest is other projects ..

[David]

4 mil is related to the ACCESS projects the rest is other projects ..

Which is why I keep asking about the exact wording from the judge. Even that State Impact article only quotes one single paragraph from the judge and then does a bunch of analysis to get stuff like the 69 M figure.

[Timshel]

https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCase...5&cmid=2406514

There's the OSCN link - can find the decision there.

[Jersey Boss]

4 mil is related to the ACCESS projects the rest is other projects ..

Thanks for the clarification.

[BG918]

Oklahoma had net in-migration of 28,481 in 2021 and 32,528 in 2022 for a total of 61,009 in 2021-22. That ranks #10 nationally.

The Top 10 in 2021-22
1. Florida: 735,279
2. Texas: 585,868
3. North Carolina: 240,610
4. Arizona: 183,033
5. South Carolina: 166,219
6. Georgia: 154,308
7. Tennessee: 143,305
8. Idaho: 82,519
9. Alabama: 62,715
10. Oklahoma: 61,009

[chssooner]

Oklahoma had net in-migration of 28,481 in 2021 and 32,528 in 2022 for a total of 61,009 in 2021-22. That ranks #10 nationally.

The Top 10 in 2021-22
1. Florida: 735,279
2. Texas: 585,868
3. North Carolina: 240,610
4. Arizona: 183,033
5. South Carolina: 166,219
6. Georgia: 154,308
7. Tennessee: 143,305
8. Idaho: 82,519
9. Alabama: 62,715
10. Oklahoma: 61,009

But, but, the cities are only growing due to people leaving the farms and moving to them. Nice to see that Oklahoma is growing!

[Laramie]

Any growth that shows Oklahoma and its top population center is growing is good for the state.

Net migration by state: https://tampabayedc.com/wp-content/u...n-by-State.pdf

BTW BG918 are you able to share the link to your figures.

[Swake]

Oklahoma had net in-migration of 28,481 in 2021 and 32,528 in 2022 for a total of 61,009 in 2021-22. That ranks #10 nationally.

The Top 10 in 2021-22
1. Florida: 735,279
2. Texas: 585,868
3. North Carolina: 240,610
4. Arizona: 183,033
5. South Carolina: 166,219
6. Georgia: 154,308
7. Tennessee: 143,305
8. Idaho: 82,519
9. Alabama: 62,715
10. Oklahoma: 61,009

Your numbers are a bit off from what the Census released this week:

2020 Census 2022 Estimate Growth %
Texas 29,145,428 30,029,572 884,144 3.03%
Florida 21,538,226 22,244,823 706,597 3.28%
North Carolina 10,439,414 10,698,973 259,559 2.49%
Georgia 10,711,937 10,912,876 200,939 1.88%
Arizona 7,151,507 7,359,197 207,690 2.90%
South Carolina 5,118,429 5,282,634 164,205 3.21%
Tennessee 6,910,786 7,051,339 140,553 2.03%
Utah 3,271,614 3,380,800 109,186 3.34%
Idaho 1,839,092 1,939,033 99,941 5.43%
Nevada 3,104,624 3,177,772 73,148 2.36%
Washington 7,705,247 7,785,786 80,539 1.05%
Colorado 5,773,733 5,839,926 66,193 1.15%
Oklahoma 3,959,346 4,019,800 60,454 1.53%
Virginia 8,631,384 8,683,619 52,235 0.61%
Indiana 6,785,668 6,833,037 47,369 0.70%

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/t...age_1574439295