Ed Shadid running for Mayor 2014!

[soonerguru]

So what? When has Ed ever rowed in the same direction as anyone else?

LOL. Good point.

[Steve]

OK, so folks are assuming this knocks Gary Marrs out of contention for the mayor's race. Ed Shadid is indicating he's going to run. Will Mick Cornett run for re-election? Will Meg Salyer run? Will someone like Dave Lopez run? Will there be a surprise candidate?

[Tier2City]

Andrew Rice?

[Stew]

OK, so folks are assuming this knocks Gary Marrs out of contention for the mayor's race. Ed Shadid is indicating he's going to run. Will Mick Cornett run for re-election? Will Meg Salyer run? Will someone like Dave Lopez run? Will there be a surprise candidate?

Steve Lackmeyer in 2014!

[soonerguru]

Andrew Rice would have my vote. Wow. A Rice / Shadid race would be interesting. Rice would win. And no offense to Steve, but Dave Lopez? Seriously?

[soonerguru]

I would also vote to reelect Mick, should he run.

[Steve]

Steve Lackmeyer in 2014!

Only if Soonerguru agrees to become my campaign manager.

[Larry OKC]

You won't like hearing this.... but it looks like you're about to have a piece of paper (the MAPS 3 resolution) in which only five of those who signed it will be still be on the city council in two weeks. Four members will have had nothing to do with signing the resolution. ...

Curious, how does this compare with MAPS 1? How many of the Council were still there at the end of it as the beginning. What did it mean with the change of bodies?

[Steve]

There's no comparison between MAPS 1 and MAPS 3. Projects were hard wired into ballot with MAPS 1. With MAPS 3, voters gave city council $777 million to spend on public improvements. City council then approved a resolution that can be voided with five or more votes.

[Larry OKC]

Steve: True but even though the projects were "hard wired", when they were discussing if the Arena should be scrapped, it came up that they didn't need voter approval to do so. That the Council, by a simple majority vote could deem a project completed without a single spade of dirt being turned.

[Urban Pioneer]

OK, so folks are assuming this knocks Gary Marrs out of contention for the mayor's race. Ed Shadid is indicating he's going to run. Will Mick Cornett run for re-election? Will Meg Salyer run? Will someone like Dave Lopez run? Will there be a surprise candidate?

Definitely not going help Shadid or his consultants out with what I know about contenders.

BTW, if Soonerguru was your campaign manager Steve, I'd say you'd have a great chance of winning.

[betts]

Steve: True but even though the projects were "hard wired", when they were discussing if the Arena should be scrapped, it came up that they didn't need voter approval to do so. That the Council, by a simple majority vote could deem a project completed without a single spade of dirt being turned.

Could they and should they are two very different questions. I think yesterday's city council elections showed that no seat is safe. A disgruntled electorate is an unpredictable electorate.

[GaryOKC6]

I would also vote to reelect Mick, should he run.

I think that Mick has done a good job throughout the Maps process. I would also vote to re-elect him.

[Midtowner]

There's no comparison between MAPS 1 and MAPS 3. Projects were hard wired into ballot with MAPS 1. With MAPS 3, voters gave city council $777 million to spend on public improvements. City council then approved a resolution that can be voided with five or more votes.

Legally, yes, that's the way things are worded. That said, your ordinary voter isn't going to appreciate a legalistic argument. We were promised these:

City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing

Alter the course dramatically and the MAPS brand will be irreparably tarnished and potentially non-viable looking forward. With MAPS III, the Council was asking the citizens to trust them. Councilmen have an ethical obligation to honor the will of the people--and that means supporting the MAPS III projects as originally sold to the people whether or not the individual councilmen agree with it. I hope individual councilmen can set their own personal egos and agendas aside and realize the viability of the MAPS brand is bigger than their personal legacy as an OKC councilman.

[Spartan]

Only if Soonerguru agrees to become my campaign manager.

No, no, me me!

[Urban Pioneer]

Don't mind tell'in ya. I won't be attending Ed's "private" but yet public OKCtalk (Lets calm down the angry people on the thread) meeting. I'll be surfing and relishing every minute of it.

Hopefully he will have luck fixing public transit. It does indeed need extraordinary help. Best of luck to him hopefully accomplishing making it better.

[soonerguru]

Don't mind tell'in ya. I won't be attending Ed's "private" but yet public OKCtalk (Lets calm down the angry people on the thread) meeting. I'll be surfing and relishing every minute of it.

Hopefully he will have luck fixing public transit. It does indeed need extraordinary help. Best of luck to him hopefully accomplishing making it better.

Ed needs to read Don Quixote if he thinks he will fix public transit by dividing public transit enthusiasts. Great book.

[Larry OKC]

Legally, yes, that's the way things are worded. That said, your ordinary voter isn't going to appreciate a legalistic argument. We were promised these:

City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing

Alter the course dramatically and the MAPS brand will be irreparably tarnished and potentially non-viable looking forward. With MAPS III, the Council was asking the citizens to trust them. Councilmen have an ethical obligation to honor the will of the people--and that means supporting the MAPS III projects as originally sold to the people whether or not the individual councilmen agree with it. I hope individual councilmen can set their own personal egos and agendas aside and realize the viability of the MAPS brand is bigger than their personal legacy as an OKC councilman.

While i agree in general principle, what if a replacement Council person gets elected with/because of a certain expressed agenda and the voters in that ward, by electing that person, have effectively said "we changed our mind" on whatever the issue is at hand? You have to remember that the original MAPS and MAPS 3 both passed by very low margins (reported in the media as "barely" passing) and very similar precinct/ward results. IIRC in some wards it didn't pass. Is an individual Council person responsible to the constituents that elected them or the City as a whole???

[RickOKC]

Any feedback from those who attended Ed Shadid's meeting yesterday?

[betts]

While i agree in general principle, what if a replacement Council person gets elected with/because of a certain expressed agenda and the voters in that ward, by electing that person, have effectively said "we changed our mind" on whatever the issue is at hand? You have to remember that the original MAPS and MAPS 3 both passed by very low margins (reported in the media as "barely" passing) and very similar precinct/ward results. IIRC in some wards it didn't pass. Is an individual Council person responsible to the constituents that elected them or the City as a whole???

I don't recall anti-MAPS being an agenda of anyone running for City Council. I think, since the Council has been given a budget, their responsibility to their constituents is to vote on budgetary matters in such a way as to support their particular ward. They can propose items for their ward. But, again, if you have a city wide plebiscite-type vote, then the Council should uphold the wishes of the city. If councilors don't wish to do it that way, then they should stop holding MAPS or city-wide votes. Each district should have their own bond elections and their own MAPS-type votes if they wish. However, that might not work out so well for some wards. City revenues are concentrated in certain wards and those wards help out the ones with less income. It's either all for one and one for all, or it's not going to work in both directions.

[Just the facts]

Well, I am with Midtowner on this one. If someone on the council wants to "not do a MAPS project" or divert funds, then let them try it. It will be one of their last acts in Oklahoma politics.

[catch22]

Well, I am with Midtowner on this one. If someone on the council wants to "not do a MAPS project" or divert funds, then let them try it. It will be one of their last acts in Oklahoma City politics.

Fixed. I still think Shadid is a plant from Tulsa to cause OKC to self destruct.

[betts]

Here's the opinion of one voter back in 2011: "Ed Shadid is committed to full transparency and accountability in government, especially with the use of the millions of dollars in MAPS 3 funds. Unlike Charlie Swinton, he is not planning to disregard the decision of the people to upgrade and enhance mass transit as part of MAPS 3."

Why I support Ed Shadid for OKC City Council | JMBzine.com

And these are words from Shadid prior to his election: "I support the implementation of all aspects of MAPS 3 as promised to the voters with maximum openness, transparency and public deliberation."

His constituents had no reason to think he would do anything other than what he promised prior to the election.

[Popsy]

Here's the opinion of one voter back in 2011: "Ed Shadid is committed to full transparency and accountability in government, especially with the use of the millions of dollars in MAPS 3 funds. Unlike Charlie Swinton, he is not planning to disregard the decision of the people to upgrade and enhance mass transit as part of MAPS 3."

Why I support Ed Shadid for OKC City Council | JMBzine.com

And these are words from Shadid prior to his election: "I support the implementation of all aspects of MAPS 3 as promised to the voters with maximum openness, transparency and public deliberation."

His constituents had no reason to think he would do anything other than what he promised prior to the election.

What promise are we talking about? I have heard none of the council members promise anything, nor have I seen anything in writing where they are quoted as saying I promise. If they have, please provide a link.

[catch22]

What promise are we talking about? I have heard none of the council members promise anything, nor have I seen anything in writing where they are quoted as saying I promise. If they have, please provide a link.

Getting elected by telling your constituents what you will do...is pretty much a promise.

Baby, I never promised you that I wouldn't cheat on you! It's not a promise, but it is expected and implied by your actions and words you used to get the job.