Whitewater Facility

[Larry OKC]

I agree that this isn't easy. But it is their job.

Not trying to derail the thread, but getting back to the point of not getting real excited when a bid comes in way over or under, as it did happen with MAPS. While looking for the article I was thinking of, ran across others that mentioned a couple of other projects came in under bid but every MAPS project came in costing more than what the Voters were told. Individually, some projects costing more than double (and substantially less project, i.e., the Canal). Collectively, some 47% more.

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The $64,858,568 bid includes all but six of 27 alternate items attached to the project. The alternates were portions of the job that could have been trimmed to save money.
The rejected alternates include a visitors' locker room, administrative offices, a parking lot, street lighting, a shared plaza with the nearby Myriad and temperature controls.
The city staff recommended delaying a decision on the locker room and administrative offices until a lease is signed with a tenant. The parking lot, lighting and plaza were delayed due to the possible construction of a hotel south of the Myriad and east of the arena.

City Grabs Bargain For Arena Construction | News OK

They rejected "temperature controls"? I presume that means air conditioning & heating? LOL

Thanks for the other article, as it seems to enumerate what the Journal Record article I had, didn't.

MAPS arena cost estimate up millions (Journal Record)

The MAPS indoor sports arena, which was to have cost $84 million, is topping out at $93 million for "a whole structure," the MAPS Citizens Oversight Board was told Thursday.
Tom Gunning, project director for Oklahoma City-based The Benham Group, said the "base" building alone will cost $71.2 million -- well within the fixed limit of construction of $74.9 million mandated by the city.
However, that base building does not include a list of 22 alternates -- items the city would like to have included -- which add $6.7 million to the base price.
The group also left out millions from the base building that would be included or paid for by others at a later time. The architects got their costs down to the base price they did by deleting construction items from the original project definition and by deleting other items such as the scoreboard system, build-out costs of suites, sitework that will be performed by "others," and additional items. Under questioning from MAPS board members, Gunning confirmed that "a whole building" ready to go would cost about $93 million.

[mkjeeves]

They rejected "temperature controls"? I presume that means air conditioning & heating? LOL

Yep. Controls for the heating and air conditioning equipment. That would be the equivalent of the thermostat installation for your home system but frequently much more complicated, usually with computer interface, sometimes with lighting control, security and other building systems integration. That's a building specialty all by itself and usually done in larger buildings by a subcontractor/supplier like Honeywell, Johnson Controls, Automated Building Systems, Siemens etc, who did not build or install the heating and air equipment. (Although some heat and air equipment manufacturers, like Trane, make equipment and contract for the temperature control part too.)

The building has to have something to control HVAC, so it shows up in alternates for various reasons. It could have been the alternate added options to the control system. The owner (or design team) might have had a preference for one brand and had specified one brand, but listed other manufacturer's systems as alternates to look at how much up or down that preference cost. Could be the base bid was made up of dumb, stand alone per component controls and the alternate was to substitute an automated system approach. Or for other reasons.

[OKCisOK4me]

Seriously, Larry?

You only come out when the subject has to do with tax dollars. If I shat tax dollars, you'd be right behind me trying to collect! Sorry, it's just true...


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[ljbab728]

Oklahoma City whitewater park plan moves one step closer | News OK

An advisory panel recommended Wednesday that Oklahoma City accept a contractor’s offer to build the MAPS 3 whitewater recreation center for $33.4 million, nearly $13.6 million more than anticipated.

Project managers propose making up the difference by putting off spending on windscreens and other Oklahoma River improvements, and by finding $2.9 million in savings during construction.

If the MAPS 3 Citizens Advisory Board agrees Thursday, the city council would be asked to award the contract. Getting started now would preserve Oklahoma City’s opportunity to host the U.S. Olympic canoeing and kayaking trials in 2016.

[Plutonic Panda]

At this point... call of the windscreens and grandstand, but build this thing and do it right. Also identify future(and by future, I mean in less the three years) funding for the grandstand and windscreen immediately.

[Urbanized]

More money out of your magic wallet? Or maybe we should buy some geese that lay golden eggs. If we had a whole farm of them we'd never have to worry about money again!

[Plutonic Panda]

More money out of your magic wallet? Or maybe we should buy some geese that lay golden eggs. If we had a whole farm of them we'd never have to worry about money again!

yeah bro... I'm paying for that as well. I also have identified a special place in my wallet that contains magical funding for the new multi-billion dollar airport I am going to build and the new 20 lane highway on I-35. See the highway will have 5 lanes each way on the bottom... 2 hov lanes each way and 3 elevated lanes with no speed limit. every single road will be a 5 stack interchange so no stop lights!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and the river will include a 76 story grandstand so you can everything that is going on.

[Urbanized]

Sweet! Solid plan for sure.

[Plutonic Panda]

Sweet! Solid plan for sure.

thanks man! I'm actually going to call the capitol right now and demand this plan be taken seriosuly and put on a satea question. These are hard times but I believe in the plan. I have it all prepared to... if this plan doesn't work we just come up with plan b which is come up with plan c

[OKCisOK4me]

I think we should build a super tall water slide that goes from here to Colorado. I'd ride that in a heartbeat. Charge $500 per and we can afford anything (after we pay it off of course). Sound familiar?

[ABryant]

I think we should build a super tall water slide that goes from here to Colorado. I'd ride that in a heartbeat. Charge $500 per and we can afford anything (after we pay it off of course). Sound familiar?

You get off the slide at a wind farm in eastern Colorado and you say: "I didn't pay 500 dollars to be in Kansas"

[OKCisOK4me]

Damn those engineers!

[PhiAlpha]

You get off the slide at a wind farm in eastern Colorado and you say: "I didn't pay 500 dollars to be in Kansas"

Followed by "I expected the Rocky Mountains to be a little rockier than this. That John Denver’s full of ****, man."


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[Plutonic Panda]

Whitewater Park Plan Moves One Step Closer - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports |

[UnFrSaKn]

Go ahead and skip the comments section.

[PhiAlpha]

Go ahead and skip the comments section.

What?!?!? You aren't pissed that we're wasting money on this pointless rich man's toy project that VOTERS approved 5 years ago and not spending it on a more worthwhile cause like education (which we've never raised additional taxes to improve...), school storm shelters in Moore, our crappy highways, or to fix the Capitol building?!?!?!?!?

(Didn't actually read the comments, let me know if I left anything out)


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[UnFrSaKn]

You forgot "all city bus stops need covers!". Just about nailed the rest.

[Rover]

What?!?!? You aren't pissed that we're wasting money on this pointless rich man's toy project that VOTERS approved 5 years ago and not spending it on a more worthwhile cause like education (which we've never raised additional taxes to improve...), school storm shelters in Moore, our crappy highways, or to fix the Capitol building?!?!?!?!?

(Didn't actually read the comments, let me know if I left anything out)


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You obviously are ignoring the Maps for Kids, a $700 million initiative that paid for a massive amount of facilities for education.

[PhiAlpha]

You obviously are ignoring the Maps for Kids, a $700 million initiative that paid for a massive amount of facilities for education.

I hope you are being facetious and picked up on my extremely obvious sarcasm.


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[PhiAlpha]

You forgot "all city bus stops need covers!". Just about nailed the rest.

Ah yes! I how could I forget the gold plated covered bus stops that we should divert this money toward.


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[Rover]

I hope you are being facetious and picked up on my extremely obvious sarcasm.


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OOPS. Sorry. Guess it wasn't obvious...to me at least.

[PhiAlpha]

OOPS. Sorry. Guess it wasn't obvious...to me at least.

No problem

[UnFrSaKn]

https://www.facebook.com/NEWS9/posts/10152230412652212

[Paseofreak]

^^^^^ Oh the ignorance! Completely astounding.

[David]

Oh lordy.

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