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  1. #451

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    Denser buildings, yes...Taller buildings not necessarily. I can't post enough just how much I think the Sony Center in Berlin should be sort of the framework for how both the Cox site and the Ford site are developed.






    Without focusing on things like the roof, the facades, the gimmicks, pay attention to how this building simultaneously creates its own environment yet still interacts with the surrounding environment. An open space that brings people in yet maintains visibility between MBG and Central Park/Santa Fe station. Yet it also maintains interaction at street level (at least on the sides where it's most important).

    But it's also big. It's plenty big to house significant office space, a number of housing units, plenty of retail/restaurant options (which on the Ford lot will be critical for the Convention Center to be the best C.C. that it can be). I think that on each pad there could be a 20+ story building, but I would rather 80% of the block be built at 12-15 stories high than 10% built at 20+ and 90% built at 4-6 stories high.

    The connectivity opportunity between 3 of the most important sites downtown (MBG, Central Park, SF station) is massive, and I'd love to think that it's a given that these two developments will push for that, but it costs a lot of money to leave a hole in the middle of a project so that there's direct-line access to MBG from the other two sites. It's the #1 most important aspect of these sites, followed directly by density and mixed-use.

    They might just be the 2 most important pieces of real estate in the entire state of Oklahoma. So the projects should be ambitious.

  2. #452

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    Yes, for the cox site I 100 percent agree. A 'central hub' for downtown OKC would be crucial, just like you said, allowing people to connect from the gardens, SF station, the CBD and from Thunder games. This site I believe is the most valuable site in downtown...with the Ford site coming in 2nd and Prod. Coop coming in 3rd.

    This is what I have for a fill on the Cox site, but would much rather see something with 'a bit of everything' ...I had to make the building on the south-east corner a parking garage knowing OKC's history...

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  3. #453

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    I don't mind that design on the Cox site if you rotated it 90°where the tall building is by CHK. The goal is to not have to walk from the Santa Fe Station over one block to Reno or Sheridan and then enter the park at the corner. I think we should aim to be able to walk out the door from Santa Fe Station straight ahead and true without running into any building until we've reached the other side of Robinson (or whatever it's called right there).

    Same thing on the other site. You should be able to walk a straight-line on the Harvey spine from park to park without running into a building. If you do the spaces right, they will constantly be full of people, because they will be places unto themselves, and create a synergy in the area that will make the area truly feel like it's a place for all people at all times.

  4. #454

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    Going south on 235 past Bricktown... the view is incredible. Amazing how much it has transformed. With East Bricktown Hotel Complex, Staybridge, Bodyworks Development, and The Hill is will even better. Now if the Coca Cola Even Center lot can get developed that will be great!

  5. #455

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    I have said it before and I will say it again, I think the best set up for this site would be to split it into four quadrants. The NW quadrant (SE corner of Robinson and Sheridan) would be a high-rise apartment/condo building, the SW quadrant (NE corner of Robinson and Reno) would be a high rise office building, the SE quadrant (NW corner of Gaylord and Reno) would be a high rise hotel and the NE quadrant (SW corner of Gaylord and Sheridan) would be the parking garage for all. The parking garage and hotel area would have space on the ground floor and maybe two floors up for the multi-modal hub expansion. The Harvey and California street grid would be put back, but would be 100% pedestrian and retail would be on the ground floor, facing into the middle. That, I think, would be the best use of the property, with changes as we expand mass transit as needed.

  6. #456

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    https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4391...2!8i6656?hl=en

    Other than the nearby warehouses, this would be a great spot for residential development. The view of downtown is awesome!

  7. #457

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayneMo View Post
    https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4391...2!8i6656?hl=en

    Other than the nearby warehouses, this would be a great spot for residential development. The view of downtown is awesome!
    Isn't Mount Trash more just to the south?

  8. #458

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    ^ About 3 miles to the south.

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