Oklahoma liquor laws

[bradh]

Because... several reasons...

A - There are folks in the state congress who do care about local businesses and keeping revenues in the state, not in bentonville.

B - There are voters who agree.

C - It would have been easier to get the support of MADD and the Southern Baptists with a compromise like this RLAO proposal, which, while creating hundreds if not thousands of new liquor outlets, still had some controls and limitations.

D - Would have been nice to have the money for the mental health and treatment programs.

E - Would have been nice to have the growlers and crowlers.

F - Would have been nice to have in store tastings.

G - Would have been nice to have the changes to help brewpubs and in state breweries.

But I'm just a Spurs fan, not someone who is actually informed and understands the differences in the proposals.

Thank you for posting. Can you tell us what the other proposal won't do that this one would have?

[jerrywall]

Thank you for posting. Can you tell us what the other proposal won't do that this one would have?

Funding for mental health and treatment programs. In store tastings. Changes to help brewpubs and breweries. Liquor sales on Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor day. I'm sure a few other things I'm forgetting.

[jerrywall]

I thought SJR68 was "better" than the RLAO proposal and included quite a bit of those changes listed above, guess I'll do some more reading...

Not unless it's had extensive changes.... most of those were unique to the RLAO proposal.

[Jersey Boss]

Give me growlers and in store tastings or the hell with the whole thing.

[jerrywall]

Give me growlers and in store tastings or the hell with the whole thing.

The other thing that no one has really fought for would be the ability to bring children (in the company of an adult) into liquor stores. That would solve a lot of the issues, IMO.

[Jersey Boss]

The other thing that no one has really fought for would be the ability to bring children (in the company of an adult) into liquor stores. That would solve a lot of the issues, IMO.

Jerry, I am totally in your camp on this.

[jerrywall]

One of the biggest complains I have about this process, is that they could have done a cold, single strength beer bill, plus expanded hours, tastings, and such, without a state question and constitutional changes. Then they could have separately pushed through a grocery/gas station liquor bill, and the other more complicated changes, for a state question and a vote of the people.

The only reason I can think of? They don't think the state question would pass without the cold beer as an incentive, so they tied them together. So cold beer gets put at risk so they can get the other stuff through. Politics as usual.

[TheTravellers]

One of the biggest complains I have about this process, is that they could have done a cold, single strength beer bill, plus expanded hours, tastings, and such, without a state question and constitutional changes. Then they could have separately pushed through a grocery/gas station liquor bill, and the other more complicated changes, for a state question and a vote of the people.

The only reason I can think of? They don't think the state question would pass without the cold beer as an incentive, so they tied them together. So cold beer gets put at risk so they can get the other stuff through. Politics as usual.

Agree totally with the above. Also agree with letting kids in liquor stores - this has baffled me forever since there is nothing open in the liquor stores that the kids could get into, the biggest problem would seem to me to be that they'd pull bottles out and they'd get broken while the parents aren't watching, but I'm sure "it's to protect the children" so they won't see any kind of alcohol before they turn 21, yeah, that's a good reason, just like abstinence is adequate for sex education.

Read SJR68 again, and yeah, it doesn't go nearly as far as I thought it would. Wish politics wasn't so full of crap compromises like this.

[David]

Read SJR68 again, and yeah, it doesn't go nearly as far as I thought it would. Wish politics wasn't so full of crap compromises like this.

Don't read SJR68 without the accompanying SB383 (if I'm remembering the right additional bill number). It's intended to be a two part set of changes, one part that the legislature can make and the other part that has to go to a vote of the people.

[David]

Reports show contributions from alcohol PACs

Anyone have a Journal Record subscription?

[TheTravellers]

Don't read SJR68 without the accompanying SB383 (if I'm remembering the right additional bill number). It's intended to be a two part set of changes, one part that the legislature can make and the other part that has to go to a vote of the people.

I started in on SB383 and got a little bit into it, and realized how huge it was. Luckily, The Thirsty Beagle did a quick summary of it that's pretty helpful:

http://www.thirstybeaglebeerblog.com...cohol-law.html

[David]

Good god, no wonder they've been working on it for a year.

[baralheia]

That all looks pretty good to me... though I am curious about the section regulating homebrewers. To the best of my knowledge, right now, homebrew for personal consumption in OK is unregulated and requires no license. Am I correct that this bill would impose regulations and licensing requirements upon homebrewers? Any idea what the licensing fee would be?

[baralheia]

Double post, please delete.

[bchris02]

When are they voting on this?

[jerrywall]

When are they voting on this?

If it's going to happen, it will have to happen today or sometime next week (barring some sort of special session).

[bchris02]

If it's going to happen, it will have to happen today or sometime next week (barring some sort of special session).

Yeah, I am worried that this will get shelved because they are so worried about abortions, gay people, bathrooms, and impeaching Obama at 23rd and Lincoln.

If that happens, then it won't be back on the table until 2018 and it would have a much lower chance of passing in a midterm election.

[bille]

That all looks pretty good to me... though I am curious about the section regulating homebrewers. To the best of my knowledge, right now, homebrew for personal consumption in OK is unregulated and requires no license. Am I correct that this bill would impose regulations and licensing requirements upon homebrewers? Any idea what the licensing fee would be?

Home brewing was unregulated until 2010, when beer was finally made legal (wine, mead and cider were already legal). When they added beer they started requiring an annual license but it's free. It is rather annoying to keep it up every year but at least it's free. I believe they are actually expanding the quantity in the current legislation. I'm not sure why is being addressed at all or if this is just a byproduct.

Yeah, I am worried that this will get shelved because they are so worried about abortions, gay people, bathrooms, and impeaching Obama at 23rd and Lincoln.

If that happens, then it won't be back on the table until 2018 and it would have a much lower chance of passing in a midterm election.

SJR68 and SB424 are scheduled for today!

[bille]

Both just passed the Senate, on to the house. (No idea when that'll be)

[David]

Lots of action so far today.

https://twitter.com/JRLROK/status/734826189223645185

Sen. Crain is now presenting the provisions of the CCR to HB 424, allowing sales of beer to consumer on premises of brewery.

https://twitter.com/JRLROK/status/734826845451866112

HB 424 passes as an emergency measure, 42-3.

https://twitter.com/JRLROK/status/734826972170190848

Sen. Bice is recognized to present the CCR to SJR 68, setting the framework for alcohol modernization.

https://twitter.com/JRLROK/status/734827758518296576

SJR 68 advances fourth reading, 30-14.

[jerrywall]

I wonder when SB383 will have movement....

[bchris02]

I wonder when SB383 will have movement....

SB383 is tied to SJR68 is it not?

[jerrywall]

SB383 is tied to SJR68 is it not?

Sort of... just in that it will only go into affect if SJR69 passes and is voted into law. However, SB383 still needs to be passed as well.

[bchris02]

Will HB 424 have to be voted on by the people, or will that go into effect immediately?

Personally, I think HB 424 will have a lot of impact in beer culture here as it will open the door for real brewpubs.

[David]

From what I understand, the only one of the three that will go to the people is the SJR.